To be angry about the Oritse Williams rape case?

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He's been found not guilty today by a Jury.

So many people on twitter are saying 'name and shame the woman, she's lied' 'she deserves a prison sentence'. This is infuriating! Do these people not realise that 'not guilty' does not equate with innocent and it doesn't mean she's lied?

Is it unreasonable for me to be angry about this?

Ghanagirl that's so true. I remember when Britain First were going around up north talking about asian grooming gangs being the worst of the worst etc... and yet 95% on men on the sex offenders register in that area were white.

This website has a lot of great articles which counter a lot of the appalling , ignorant and misogynistic views on this thread

againstrape.net/

I can't take anymore, going to bed.

I also didnt begin this thread to debate is oritse guilty or not. I made it to defend the victim and the ignorant people saying she should be named and deserves prison

OP, it's a shame that the thread has gone that way but was inevitable.

I can't get my head around anyone thinking the victim should be named or should go to prison. I think it does come down to ignorance of how are justice system works and the impression that many people have that false rape accusations are common.

YABU - how do you know what happened? We’re you on the jury or were you there?

Instead relying on tabloid reports to decide whether or not you think a verdict is fair

Clearly the cases of false allegations that have been proven (however few) demonstrate that cases can and do get to court even when the evidence is lacking.

Unfortunately rape is probably one of, if not the, hardest cases to prove one way or the other because in many cases the question isn’t whether sexual activity happened, it’s whether it was consensual and usually that comes down to one persons word against another.

@jodie571 Im not talking about whether i was in the court or that i know hes guilty. I'm saying she shouldnt be named and shamed or go to prison. I should be able to say that even though I wasnt a juror.

YABU - how do you know what happened? We’re you on the jury or were you there?

Instead relying on tabloid reports to decide whether or not you think a verdict is fair

Did you even read the OP? The OP wasn't commenting on whether the verdict was 'fair', she was saying that Williams accuser shouldn't be called a liar and have her identity uncovered, as some people are calling for.

Maybe try reading the OP again jodie

OP is mainly concerned about the comments regarding the ‘guilt’ of the woman concerned

Do these people not realise that 'not guilty' does not equate with innocent and it doesn't mean she's lied?

You sound like my late mother, no-ne was ever innocent, they always 'Got off with it'. What you're saying is that whatever the verdict there is always the chance that the man is guilty, what do they have to do to satisfy your superior legal sense?

Cross posted with out

Black men are disproportionately accused, prosecuted and convicted of various crimes and that’s not acceptable. Do you honestly believe his race was a factor in this case? Have you read the evidence given by the men accused?
So that makes it acceptable throw young black men under the bus!
Read up on the racist misogynistic Warwick university students who suffered no consequences and the white student US who was actually seen raping his victim but got off with a tap on his wrist.
Do not patronise me I have 2 beautiful black children and I continually worry about there future in the UK

Before I give up and go to bed, do people actually know what’s involved between a report being made and a verdict?

OP, I agree that your initial post was about whether this particular woman should be named, but I think this drags up a lot of issues because if this can happen in any rape case where there’s no conviction, there’d be a lot more victims on trial than rapists.

I agree with ghanagirl as well

I agree she shouldn’t be named and shamed as he could be guilty despite being cleared, but neither should he. Until there is a guilty verdict, I think it’s disgusting that he has to carry around the label of rape for his whole life when he has not been found guilty.

Oh lord

ghanas earlier posts specifically

Until there is a guilty verdict, I think it’s disgusting that he has to carry around the label of rape for his whole life when he has not been found guilty

Its my understanding that this is the case for all adults accused of crimes

Woman lie.... look at the recent case where 2 late teenagers claimed they were victims of an attempted abduction by men of Eastern European appearance in a van. It was complete fabrication for reasons unknown.

I've been sexually assaulted, I've been raped and physically assaulted by an ex.... but still believe all parties should not be named until trial is completed.

So that makes it acceptable throw young black men under the bus!

Nowhere did she say this.

@LadyRannaldini I wasn’t saying that to say everyone not guilty gets off with it. I made the point to demonstrate that ‘not guilty’ does not mean he is innocent or she lied. It means exactly what it says, given the evidence the jury found him not Guilty of the crime. This could be because they are certain he didn't do it or it could that there was not enough evidence to prove he did it even though they believed he did. It is not my job to speculate but that is a point that needs to be raised given the ignorant views on twitter.

@butterflywings37 exactly! I agree

I did not intend to patronise you or diminish the appallingly racist nature of our justice system. I agree with you that it’s disgusting what young white men can get away with in this country (and in America, where matters are even worse in this regard). The Warwick case is absolutely abhorrent and I spent many hours arguing with misogynistic (and racist) arseholes about them.

However, in this case, a man has explicitly stated in his court testimony that he saw his friend having sex with a woman who was described as “zombified” by witnesses, who clearly wasn’t enjoying the sex and his solution was to start touching her genitals without her consent until it became clear she wasn’t enjoying that either.

I’m as certain as I can be that this case would have gone to trial if they’d been white, given the evidence and statements the police were able to obtain.

@rufusthebewlideredreindeer yes I’m aware it happens with lots of adult crimes but the thread is specifically about the guy from JLS

*He's been found not guilty today by a Jury.

So many people on twitter are saying 'name and shame the woman, she's lied' 'she deserves a prison sentence'. This is infuriating! Do these people not realise that 'not guilty' does not equate with innocent and it doesn't mean she's lied?

Is it unreasonable for me to be angry about this?*

I think you are making some unreasonable assumptions. It just means that the jury decided the case was not proven without sufficient doubt and found him not guilty. I don't see why you should be alarmed or angry at this decision. Were you there throughout the trial? Our legal system is predicated on this jury system, and we must trust the jury's decision.

I think you are making some unreasonable assumptions. It just means that the jury decided the case was not proven without sufficient doubt and found him not guilty. I don't see why you should be alarmed or angry at this decision. Were you there throughout the trial? Our legal system is predicated on this jury system, and we must trust the jury's decision

Have you even bothered to read the OP you just quoted? She’s not talking about the jury’s decision.

Gah, why are people not getting what the OP is saying???

Yes i know what the thread is about jodie

But are you saying that only in rape cases should the accused not be named