To ask when we get the results of the eu election?

[TheoriginalLEM]

There's a forecast win for the brexit party - how could that be???

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Well if you add up the remain versus the leave. Currently Remain has won.

Though it’s not over

Does anyone know why it takes so long to release the UK results given that we voted on Thursday. I understand why the results couldn't be released until after 10pm but the counting must be long done by now and only the BBC website is showing only 101 of 373 counts complete? Do they not start counting until the polls shut everywhere?

Gamerwidow the votes weren't counted till today. Something to do with different dates of elections in the EU.

*voting for Farage and his Brexit party to achieve this is absolutely insane, the havoc this man will wreak to spread his brand of hatred is terrifying

Ok, playing devil’s avocado here for a minute, because I feel this kind of rhetoric is unhelpful at best - demonising Farage doesn’t make him go away and just strengthens him for people who disagree with you.
2 questions - what havoc do you think he will wreak? What exactly is it you think he will do as an anti-Euro MEP - which is exactly what he’s been for the past however long? It was the Tories that started Brexit, not Farage or UKIP.
And secondly - who would you suggest leave/pro Brexit people vote for? Labour - clear as mud what they want. Tory - failed. UKIP - racist as all hell. So who is a leave voter left with? They want leave, and they’re entitled to express that.*

Absolutely spot on.

He doesn’t even have a fucking manifesto
Millions of people voted for someone without a manifesto.

Aside from hard brexit
It just beggars belief.

Pencil.

It's amusing to watch though

Every possible twist and turn except.

People want to leave. And indeed it's almost surpassed brexit. It's about democracy.

Just.

It beggar's belief people are voting in Europe elections when actually... we should be out of the EU by now.
That beggar's belief!

I don’t disagree. But I wouldn’t be so fucking stupid to vote for someone with NO manifesto

@Drasticaction
Is that really what you get from this!?
It’s pretty equal. Vote wise. For remain and brexit parties. With a middle ground of hardened labour/Tory voters.

I wouldn’t be so fucking stupid to vote for someone with NO manifesto
Calling around a third of voters stupid isn’t nice, and doesn’t do the remain cause any favours. We get that you don’t like the Brexit Party

But again - for a leave voter - why would they care about a manifesto for Europe? They just want to get out of it, they don’t need a plan for what to do in the EU.

Playing devil's avocado 😁 you have to factor in that that EU citizens can vote in this election and couldn't in 2016. So results will be skewed accordingly.

That’s a good point Belle

Did you miss that latest polls show more than 60% want to REMAIN?

Nah, I wanted to remain but we had this conversation already, and more people voted to leave than have ever voted for anything else in British history, ever.

The only reason we are still having this conversation is because anti-democratic powerful people don't like it.

I voted remain, and I voted for the Brexit party because I fucking DEMAND that we act like a first world democracy not Putin's Russia.

Playing devil's avocado 😁 you have to factor in that that EU citizens can vote in this election and couldn't in 2016. So results will be skewed accordingly.

Except they couldn't vote could they? As many as 10s of 1000s of EU citizens living in the UK appear to have been illegally denied their right to vote for their own parliament in spite of ensuring they were registered.

@Cwenthryth
I don’t dislike the brexit party or anyone that voted for it. I find it astonishing that someone voted for a party with no manifesto
That’s all. It’s always so crazy that brexit folk think we are anti them. I’m not, I respect everyone’s choice.

Apologies, Justbreathing - you referred to Brexit voters as ‘so fucking stupid’, it didn’t come across as respectful.

@Cwenthryth
No I didn’t.
I said someone who voted for a party with no manifesto is so fucking stupid. I would say that to someone who voted for a remain party with no manifesto too.

Voting for anyone with a ideology and no way to back it up isn’t clever. One way or another.
I would hope people were cleverer than that. Regardless of their position.

This is a complex set of political/ economic/cultural decisions that affect our country for generations to come.

To vote on it. I would hope that everyone, whatever side they are on knows exactly what the party they’re voting for has in their manifesto/ plan for the future.

True some EU citizens were unable to vote on Thursday, I completely forgot. Conversely I know people who voted leave in the referendum who refused to vote on Thursday, due to the result not being respected. I honestly think that the Brexit vote was depressed by the lack of a "Brexit" and the true number of leave voters is far higher. Opinion polls predicted Labor would win in Australia a couple of weeks ago - they lost. Le pen has just beat Macron. Italy far right parties win. Greek government lost. The winds are changing across Europe and maybe the world (Trump?).

Ok

They just mentioned on the BBC that they think turnout has been significantly higher in strong remain areas than in strong leave areas too - so that’s another skew - it’s really not as simple as directly comparing Brex/UKIP vs LibDem/Green/Change/etc, it’s a lot more nuanced. I don’t think (sadly) that this is as strong a result for remain as is going to be spun by the pro-PV parties. People are mostly just entrenched. It’s probably still pretty much 50-50.

t’s probably still pretty much 50-50

Yup

John Curtice on BBC now just called it a defacto second referendum, says still very polarised and split and wouldn’t give any guarantees for an actual second ref (paraphrasing)

I said earlier it’s pretty even. But basically what it says is no one will be happy with negotiation. People either want no deal. Or stay in.
Which is all round worrying.

basically what it says is no one will be happy with negotiation. People either want no deal. Or stay in
I’m not so sure on that one - if a second referendum was single transferable vote with no deal, deal or remain, I reckon deal would reach 50% on the second round. I think most people just want an end to it so we can move on one way or the other.