to be annoyed that the Transformers movie has a 12A certificate, when my 5 year old DS is Transformers mad?

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He really wants to see it at the cinema...how do I tell him that he can't?

hippies.

children don't compute death and violence as an adult would.

there are some children who are sensative and their mothers will know not to show them such things - there are other children who watch power rangers, star wards and transformers and think its nothing more than fab.

"Power Rangers is mindless violence?
Combats and shaved hair = violent children?"

1. Yes, it is. The tip of the iceberg admittedly.

2. No, I didn't say that - but it does indicate a style of parenting/perceiving young boys that I find destructive and despicable.

I was writing a long post, but it's dinner time...

Power Rangers videos are usually pg anyway - like Cars! Not exactly hard core.

What do you find despicable about young boys wearing combats and having shaved hair?

It's the ones who think it's fab that worry me. You're quite right, children don't process death and violent images the way adults do - their perception of what is real/actual is much less acute. Which is why it's so bloody stupid and dangerous to keep feeding it to them with popcorn.

Cornsilk but they could have redone the certification of Star Wars for DVD if they thought it needed it, couldn't they?

There are some violent scenes in Star Wars. Luke's uncle and aunts charred bodies, The creature in the bar getting it's arm chopped off and it's seen lying on the floor in gruesome detail. Obi Wans death is upsetting, the floating needle thing that Darth Vader is about to torture Leia with. Compare that to Cars which is a PG.I don't believe that if it was released today as a new film it would still be a U.

I've already mentioned the U certificate given to Ghostbusters. Watch that one and see would you let your chn see the scene where Sigourney Weaver is trying to shag one of the ghostbusters.

I don't get how putting your child in combats makes you a meathead?

A bit of a sweeping generalisation there, but I can see you have strong views so will bow out.

FWIW I can't see how a pair of farming combats [which is all they sell over here, mostly in farming shops!!] with loads of pockets for sheep spray/bailer twine etc is going to make a young boy into a thug... Maybe it's the shaved head?

parents guide to the transformers movie

So therefore Transformers must be alot worse then

Kerry you still don't "get it"

How will you be able to say no to a pre teen or a teenager when you don't say no to a 5 year old?

They are too young -

transformers has been rated a kids' movie for children over 12 .. ie teens

it is not a kids' movie like disney / pixar movies .. or it would have a U classification

it is a movie for 12 year olds plus according to the expert panel of examiners from BBFC

it is not illegal to take them

Well if I'm nuts Kerrymum, you're a bone idle thickie

if you extrapolate taking a 5 year old to a 12 movie

that means that your child should be allowed at an 18 movie when he's 11

Kerry you still don't "get it"

How will you be able to say no to a pre teen or a teenager going to a R rated or 18 film when you don't say no to a 5 year old?

They are too young -

i can't see what all the fuss is about tbh. in a couple of years it will probably be the christmas movie on bbc1.

i don't agree Greensleves. It depends on how things are portayed. it depends on the child.

so for instance in the transformers movie - the bad guy gets it in the end ( surpise)

now one could argue that telivision dictates everything about your child. Its perceptions of all facets of like - good and evil for instance. or the portrayal of women. or how sexual relationships work - young adults without proper guidence might think that they should fuck everything in sight and that sex should last for hours and involve copious amounts of fruit from the fridge

however it much depends on the parent as to how the child will grow up - for instnance my assertion would be that with good parenting a child can watch things like power rangers and transformers as long as their parents do not condone violence as a lifestyle choice the child IME can put it into context.

same with the sex analogy and teens above - with good parenting the child can put it into perspective - my perspective - be careful - don't die - best done in a loving relationship ( other parents may think differently)

so with power rangers for instance - my nearly 18 year old son watched them first time around - he was red power ranger with my girl being pink power ranger ( genderstereotyping) and my son (beta male - again stereotype) being blue.

they karate kicked the air and faught imaginary dangers - they jumped off the settee ( am not anal about furniture) with loud "HIIIIIII YAAAAAAAAAAA"
"J gget Megatron he is behind you "
"Hi YAAAAAA....die megatron, i have saved the world"

i can then as the parent reinforce the fact that it is inappropriate to HII YAAA kick on other people.

so again i repeat my assertion is that our children can see these images - it is how we as parents help children to assimilate their imaginations and the issues raised through these programmes into real life. Poor parents would not do this.

What about Raiders of the lost ark? That's EXTREMELY violent,gory and very scary. Weren't they also pg films? My point is that if star wars, raiders of the lost ark etc were released today their classification would be higher IMO.
Oh - and Elliot calls his brother 'penis breath' in ET. Would that be allowed in a U film today?

I'm glad your kids aren't in my dss school then Kerrymum. Mine would be horrified by graphic violence, because they're children and it's not suitable for them. [no-brainer emoticon]

But you haven't answered my question

How can a parent say NO to a pre teen or teenager going to a R or a 18 film

When the parent took the 5 year old to a 12A