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Or is teen ds re bike helmet?

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choosingchilli · 15/05/2019 17:18

Ds (14) used to wear his helmet with no issues.

He hasn't ridden his bike in about 18 months purely because our rules are no helmet no bike.

He has a bike sitting in the garage, he wants to ride it to hang out with his friends in the local park but NONE of his friends wear a helmet and he freely admits he won't wear his because he will get "roasted" by his mates.

We're going round in circles, he knows the reason why helmets are important. I feel really strongly about this issue as I've seen brain injuries as a result of split second accidents and even though the roads around here are fairly quiet there is still always that risk.....

He's a good kid and he won't go out pretending to wear his helmet then take it off round the corner (which I half expected him to do).

I'm not usually particularly strict and even though I feel strongly about this I do understand peer pressure and I can see that the majority of teens around here don't wear helmets. AIBU in sticking to this rule?

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MummyParanoia101 · 17/05/2019 18:08

@CloudyForest How am I a conspiracy theorist?! It happened! The Consultant told us in no uncertain terms that the helmet saved his life!!! I am NOT funded by any manufacturer!!! Utterly batshit.

MummyParanoia101 · 17/05/2019 18:20

I cannot believe so many people on this thread can't actually see that wearing a helmet in an accident whilst cycling, which resulted in a blow to the head, would not make a difference to the outcome!?! What the actual F...... Really?!?!?!? They do not make Helmets out of any old sh*te you know?!

ivykaty44 · 17/05/2019 18:29

Mummy, then can I ask you to answer the question I asked much earlier in the thread - why didn’t my dh get brain injury after a car crashed into him and he went over her car and 52 feet down the road...leading to 52 head stitches amongst other injuries?

SmellMySmellbow · 17/05/2019 18:39

@ivykaty44 he got 'lucky'? Maybe he wouldn't have needed 52 stitches with a helmet? Some people fall from great heights (of fly 52 feet through the air) and get no injuries, some people fall awkwardly from standing but hit their head on a kerb and get permanent damage. It's all down to how you fall. And luck.

Auntpetunia2015 · 17/05/2019 18:39

Friend of mine got hit by a car back when helmets weren’t even thought of. Ended up brain damaged and unable to speak move do anything. After 25 years in this state they died last year..they were near vegetative longer than they weren’t ..16 when accident happened! Helmets here all the way..went through your argument with my DS he knew my friend but not what had happened one explanation later DS never went out without his helmet.

ivykaty44 · 17/05/2019 18:46

Smellme

If he wasn’t wearing a helmet why didn’t he die or get brain damage - that’s what is being claimed by others

You can only come up with it was lucky... yet for everyone else a plastic lid saved their life

SmellMySmellbow · 17/05/2019 19:16

I think the only people that are saying it saved their life are the ones who were told that by medical experts who treated them? And by looking at the damage to their head protection? In which case they were probably right? Using your logic, are you saying that everyone who gets hit hy a car and flies 50 feet through the air definitely won't get brai damage, because your husband didn't?

SmellMySmellbow · 17/05/2019 19:16

Would he happily go through the same again and be confident of the same outcome?

ivykaty44 · 17/05/2019 19:55

smellme - do you think anyone hit by a driver wants to go through the same experience again? helmet or not someone driving at 50mph hitting you with their car is going to cause a lot of damage & inflict massive trauma to a persons body

systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2016/08/26/a-cracked-bike-helmet-didnt-save-your-life/
Has a broken helmet actually done the job it’s supposed to?

ivykaty44 · 17/05/2019 20:05

Cycle helmets are just polystyrene caps
Well yes, they are. Cycle helmets are thick pieces of compressible polystyrene with a slippery surface, just like motorcycle helmets. The slippery surface is designed to allow your head to slide along the road, rather than come to an abrupt halt, and the polystyrene is designed to progressively crush, ensuring your skull (and thus brain) decelerates more slowly than would your bare head. That's how helmets work, and polystyrene is used because it's very good at that job. Sure, cycle helmets are flimsier than motorcycle helmets, that's because motorcycles travel rather faster than bicycles do.

Cycle helmets don't work above 12mph
Yes, the polystyrene in a cycle helmet is designed to completely compress in a 12mph impact, and thus has no further part to play in a 13mph one. As most cycling accidents involve an impact of no more than 12mph, that is the speed at which they are required to pass tests of effectiveness. But in a 24mph impact, the helmet still absorbs 12mph worth of force. It is, for some accidents, better than nothing.

Walking is more dangerous than cycling
Statistically true, but only if you include toddlers and senior citizens, who account for the vast majority of head injuries from trips & falls while walking. It's not true for the majority of adults. Except when walking home from the pub.

Cycle helmets increase the risk of rotational injury
It's true that the real risk with head injuries is not the skin and skull, but what happens to the brain inside the skull. The argument about rotational injuries is that a helmet effectively increases the size of your skull, increasing the speed at which your head rotates when it hits the ground, and thus increasing brain injuries. There is some truth in this, but remember that slippery shell: that's designed to increase the likelihood of your head sliding rather than rotating. Hair and skin, in contrast, has very high coefficient of friction, making it more likely your head will rotate in the first place.

So, if I find some of the key arguments against helmets unconvincing, why then do I choose not to wear one? Three main reasons ...

Cycling is safe
Cycling is a very safe activity. Minor accidents are rare, major accidents are very rare. Statistically, it would make more sense to wear a helmet when driving a car, doing DIY or walking downstairs than to wear one while cycling.

A helmet is useless in most accidents
In a minor accident (eg. hitting a pothole on the flat and going over the handlebars), the risk of head injury is very low: you're much more likely to break a wrist, elbow or collar-bone. In a major accident (eg. being hit at speed by a car), the chances of a helmet affecting the outcome in any meaningful way is very low. Put these two points together: I'm unlikely to have an accident at all, and if I do, a helmet probably won't make a difference.

It's statistically irrational
Cycling is much safer than driving. Many more car occupants than cyclists die of head injuries, and an Australian study calculated that around 15% of them would have survived had they been wearing a cycling helmet. If you want to be rational about it, wear one in a car before you consider wearing one on a bike.

Helmets give a false impression of the risks
Helmets are worn for risky activities. By wearing a helmet when cycling, we add to the impression many non-cyclists seem to have that cycling is a dangerous activity. It's not, it's a very safe one. In fact, when you take into account the benefits of regular exercise from cycling, and the fact that heart disease is the biggest killer in the developed world, it's actually statistically safer to cycle than not to cycle. If we want to encourage cycling, we need to make it as approachable as possible, and part of that is not making a very ordinary activity look like a treck across the Andes.

Next time you're in one of the cycling capitals of the world - Amsterdam or Copenhagen, say - tell me how many cycle helmets you see.

www.benlovejoy.com/cycle/attitude/helmets.html

Taken from this website

Belenus · 17/05/2019 20:11

Anecdote?! It bloody happened! 1991 I remember it well and I was there when his consultant told us the Helmet saved his life. I'm sorry if you don't like them but that doesn't allow you declare facts as 'anecdotes'

A fact can also be an anecdote. Anecdotal evidence can be defined as "evidence in the form of stories that people tell about what has happened to them". This is in contrast to data which is derived from a thorough investigation and multiple cases. I can just as well tell you about my real life factual experiences of cycling safely for 40 years. However, if you want to make a risk assessment about cycling and whether or not you should wear a helmet, you need more than a few anecdotes, however truthful they are.

Also, with the greatest respect to surgeons and consultants, they are specialists in repairing head injuries, not in investigating causes and prevention of head injuries.

They do not make Helmets out of any old shte you know?!*

They don't make them as well as they might do either. Helmet manufacture hasn't moved on that much in cycling in recent decades, partly because people are under the illusion that they are very safe and so haven't bothered with design standards as much as they might. Cycle helmets are standardised but the standard they are tested to is "to withstand an impact equivalent to an average weight rider travelling at a speed of 12 mph falling onto a stationary kerb shaped object from a height of 1 metre." They aren't designed for anything more than that. They are not a magic bullet.

And the evidence for how effective they are is mixed and does depend on the type of fall. I'm sorry people don't want to hear this, but as common sense as it may be helmets are not universally good. They increase the weight and bulk of your head which in some falls may not help. This site has an interesting and thoughtful discussion of the points www.whycycle.co.uk/cycling-advice/safety-and-security/cycling-helmets/ I do wish people would take a deep breath and think this through, not just assume that because someone isn't universally in favour of helmets they're somehow stupid and ill-informed.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 17/05/2019 20:13

I wore one when I was on my road bike, in case I got hit by a car.

Mountain bike I never wore one.

I'd let him go out without it tbh

AhhhHereItGoes · 17/05/2019 20:49

My Dad got clipped by the side of a car and got thrown off his bike about 5 years ago.

He had cut knees/hands etc but otherwise was fine. His helmet had a massive dent in it though and his neck aches but I feel as he went face/head first that lack of helmet may have made that accident a lot worse.

Mistigri · 17/05/2019 21:33

Depends what he'll be doing on the bike.

I've almost given up the battle to get DS to wear a helmet when he rides a bike to school. It's mostly on cycle paths and as one PP said there isn't a lot of evidence that helmets make you safer (Dutch cyclists almost never wear helmets and have a much lower injury rate).

OTOH he does always wear a helmet when riding on the BMX track.

fairweathercyclist · 26/05/2019 17:02

Just noticed this on Twitter and it reminded me of this thread. I will just leave this here:

twitter.com/modacitylife/status/1132659095247425542

In the UK a photo like that would draw all sorts of opprobrium. So nice to see.

Vulpine · 26/05/2019 17:53

That's how it should be here in the uk

Vulpine · 26/05/2019 17:54

Ivykat- good post

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