What on earth is going on in America??

[Nanny0gg]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How can a supposedly 'civilised' society pass such a retrograde law?

And other states following suit?

@autumncrow

Sanctity of life and death penalty are not mutually exclusive. It's to do with society.

In order to live in a "safe" society people need to comply with the rules. If some peoples' behaviour makes it inappropriate for them to be part of that society any longer, then remove them.

@lisalocketlostherpocket

Can They? Can a NI woman just rock up in the republic and ask for an abortion. I doubt it somehow.

If it follows the law being brought in in Georgia there’ll be no option to go out of state – or travel like women from N.Ireland have - as women will still be prosecuted when they return; anyone who helps them leave the state can also be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit murder. In addition ANY miscarriage (suspected miscarriage) would be open to a criminal investigation – don’t see that being exploited by abusive partners!. And as the ban is on abortion from six weeks on – i.e. not since detected but actual conception so a period during which most women would not know they were pregnant effectively a total ban. Details here:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/09/georgia-effective-abortion-ban-cruelty-anti-choice-movement

In Alabama currently a man is suing his 16 year old girlfriend because she had an abortion and so is the 6-week-old embryo; proposed changes in law could impact on IVF, if embryos being produced are not implanted or fail to implant, as well as forms of emergency and other types of contraception

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/08/the-terrifying-case-of-a-six-week-embryo-suing-an-abortion-clinic

It’s quite chilling also bothers me that the groups bringing about/lobbying for these laws are often operating in the UK, or linked to the ones that harass women outside British abortion clinics, the BPAS are campaigning against these groups as part of their BACK-OFF campaign btw if anyone wants to support them

back-off.org/

If some peoples' behaviour makes it inappropriate for them to be part of that society any longer, then remove them.

Here we go.

I certainly found very very few people in favour of universal healthcare - they think the NHS is crappy.

There will always be Americans who vote against their own interests but public support for Medicare has actually soared.

In order to live in a "safe" society people need to comply with the rules. If some peoples' behaviour makes it inappropriate for them to be part of that society any longer, then remove them.

Remove them how?

In my opinion, a baby's "right" to life out-rates a woman's "right" to kill the baby.
If you support the thinking behind this law and you think an embryo is a baby – we’re talking embryos not even foetus stage not that I make a distinction as I support the right to choose - then you are basically saying any woman who used a coil or a contraceptive pill that stopped a fertilised egg implanting or had IVF knowing some embryos would not survive and/or be used is a murderer. Which is bollocks.

Why did people vote Tory?
Are the Tories anti abortion then?

I was picking up on another theme in this thread ....

Why am I not surprised the people who passed this and think they have a right to determine the law on this are ALL male?!

Yes all God fearin' white men who know what's best for women...

In my opinion, a baby's "right" to life out-rates a woman's "right" to kill the baby.

But it isn't a baby. It's a foetus, that cannot survive without the uterus in which it resides.

How can it ever be right to force a woman to carry to term when she has become pregnant through rape or incest?

By all means, do it yourself, but to force it on every woman?

It sickens me that that there are women who think this way. Bad enough that men do, but women? Utterly baffling.

If you support the thinking behind this law and you think an embryo is a baby – we’re talking embryos not even foetus stage not that I make a distinction as I support the right to choose - then you are basically saying any woman who used a coil or a contraceptive pill that stopped a fertilised egg implanting or had IVF knowing some embryos would not survive and/or be used is a murderer. Which is bollocks.

And I assume that the MAP is a no-no too then.

When this all broke in a couple of other states a few months back I thought it was all scaremongering and that the threat of Roe being overturned was minuscule.

I’m not so sure now

Particularly nice that they didn't pass the exemption for rape or incest
This ^^. That's just horrific. Like the BBC article pointed out, you could have a young girl raped by a sibling or parent and she's stuck having to have the child. How can anyone think that's reasonable? If they had to ban abortion then they could have at least allowed that exemption.

Maybe a better question than "What is going on ?" might be "What can be done ?"

Boycott holidays in Mobile (sad to say no great loss ...) ?
Burn our Lynyrd Skynyrd albums ? (and I guess they'd be opposing this anyway).
Refuse to watch Forrest Gump ever again ?
Put pressure on US companies that have facilities in Alabama (Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook) ??????

Hopefully with regards to Georgia enough TV and film production companies will boycott the state to the extent that they really feel it. That won't make the (corrupt) governor very popular. I'm not sure what industries Alabama depends on.

I'm not sure what industries Alabama depends on.

Racism and incest ?

The sperm of a rapist is worth more than the rights of a rape victim

^ this

We need to bring NI in line with 21st century values as well.

Ha.

Well this certainly isn't going to do anything to change people's impression of Alabama being a byword for backward.

Welcome to progressive NI, where you can’t get married to someone of the same sex or get an abortion, but if you’re a trans that wants to call yourself the opposite sex, then access all areas. I’m sooo glad women have equality in NI, if you’re the ‘right’ kind of woman of course.

If you don’t agree with abortion then don’t get one. Hasn’t anyone told them this??

Let's hope it goes to the Supreme Court, is deemed unconstitutional and is overturned (Heartbeat Bill, North Dakota). But, yes, agree with PPs in that Brits are one to talk (N Ireland.)

And religion is, without doubt, the major factor. It's a Bible belt state!

And what happens to these babies when they are born?

Perhaps to a mother who can't or won't (because the circumstances of their conception/birth are too horrible) look after them?

Are the "pro-lifers' or the government there to provide loving, safe homes for them until the are 18? And a supportive family substitute afterwards? Are they hell as like!

Life is only sacred when it's in the womb, it seems - once born those mothers and babies are often stuck on welfare, with no future ahead of them except one of poverty and deprivation.

Even if only in practical terms (these children are more likely to be drawn into violent street crime and/or prostituion), you'd think that politicians would think of the cost to society.

And the cost to the world - overpopulation and its attendant demands on the earth's resources is killing this planet.

But the cost to individual women and girls is heartbreaking and brutal.

Don't give me that Hopey, you have options. Personally I wouldnt vote for any party that refused women the right to terminate a pregnancy, that's how important it is to me

In my constituency in N Ireland at the last general election there was only one pro choice candidate. And that was Sinn Fein, who for fairly obvious reasons many people cannot bring themselves to vote for. And in some constituencies they may not even field a candidate, so you might have not one single person to vote for who is pro choice.

Let's hope it goes to the Supreme Court, is deemed unconstitutional and is overturned

The Supreme Court is a partisan place. And populated by more conservatives than liberals.