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Nanny0gg · 2019-05-15T09:27:27+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795]] How can a supposedly 'civilised' society pass such a retrograde law? And other states following suit?

lisalocketlostherpocket · 15/05/2019 11:33

he Republic of Ireland and the UK are separate countries, you know

yes us uneducated thickies in England do know that.

But while the whole of the island of Ireland banned abortion, there wasn't much you could do in NI. If a woman from NI can just walk across the border to get an abortion in the Republic, the law in NI becomes unenforceable. So yes, it does make a difference.

AgileLass · 15/05/2019 11:33

AgileLass Don't be pedantic. 'British Isles' then. The UK had a big influence in the RoI vote, as many of the women seeking abortions travelled to the mainland for legal abortions.

‘Mainland’? You need to revise your outdated colonialist vocabulary. ‘British Isles’ is also an outdated term, FYI.

TheVanguardSix · 15/05/2019 11:35

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TheFastandCurious · 15/05/2019 11:36

It’s religion. Religion and politics should never mix. While I believe everyone should have the right to practice their faith, it should never be used as a means to control populations.

AuntieUrsula · 15/05/2019 11:37

It's not the women that would be prosecuted, but the doctors carrying out the abortion. So I think it would be difficult for women to find amenable doctors willing to lie. The article I read says there's already only 3 abortion clinics in the whole of Alabama, as presumably most doctors don't want to get involved in this particular branch of medical practice no matter what their private views are... It is awful

People wondering why women would vote for Trump etc, lots of women are anti-abortion! These are people who literally cannot see any difference between a foetus and a live baby

badlydrawnperson · 15/05/2019 11:41

I suspect another reason there are only 3 clinics is due to aggressive picketing - in many places there is a rota of people who ensure the staff and patients are aggressively confronted at all times.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 15/05/2019 11:42

Why did people vote Tory?

Are the Tories anti abortion then?

WitchfinderGeneralHarrumph · 15/05/2019 11:46

Help me out here: why does Trump want Roe v Wade overturned? So that abortion becomes illegal nationwide?? WTF?

resisterpersister · 15/05/2019 11:48

Yes bloody Americans! EXCEPT - oh, look there's a part of the UK that has neither abortion OR marriage equality, against the wishes of the majority of the people who live there.

Are women being threatened with life imprisonment for an abortion in NI? No, I didn't think so.

Quintella · 15/05/2019 11:49

It’s hardly ‘pedantic’ to object to Ireland as being described as part of the UK. The 8th amendment of the Irish constitution was repealed due to work done by an army of activists in Ireland. It had sweet F.A to do with the UK.

The UK now needs to get its own house in order and deliver healthcare to the women of NI.

But yes, the war on women's bodies in America is utterly chilling. Not one fuck do these evangelicals give about children once they’re born. This is just pure and unadulterated misogyny, keeping women impoverished and powerless. Republican politicians are dogged in their antipathy against abortion and universal healthcare, dogged in their devotion to guns. Whereas in reality the wider American public is generally speaking pro access to abortion, pro universal healthcare, and pro gun control. How can Americans stand this?

BarbarianMum · 15/05/2019 11:50

Don't give me that Hopey, you have options. Personally I wouldnt vote for any party that refused women the right to terminate a pregnancy, that's how important it is to me.

Nesssie · 15/05/2019 11:51

AgileLass British Isles includes the Channel Islands, which are not included in 'Great Britain' or 'United Kingdom'. Abortion is legal in the Channel Islands (up to 12 weeks or 24 weeks depending on which Island)

And Mainland is obviously the 'main land' of England/Wales/Scotland rather than any of the smaller Islands.

Gth1234 · 15/05/2019 11:54

I will only say this once.

In my opinion, a baby's "right" to life out-rates a woman's "right" to kill the baby.

But it's not about "rights". It's about "laws". I am happy to comply with the law irrespective of my personal views. There are lots of laws that I think are wrong, but we can't pick and choose which laws we want to obey. Laws are the price we pay for living in a "safe" society,

But that's just my opinion.

Quintella · 15/05/2019 11:54

Help me out here: why does Trump want Roe v Wade overturned?

Trump isn’t actually an anti-abortion ideologue, I'm sure he's paid for plenty of abortions in his time. As with everything Trump does he does it if he thinks it will benefit him personally. And acting as though he’s anti-choice plays well to his right wing base. It’s all about the votes.

Bugsymalonemumof2 · 15/05/2019 11:54

The abortion laws being passed are abhorrent. In Ohio they are discussing pursuing women who have had miscarriages and if found to have caused it they will also be prosecuted.

Yes we need to change NI laws but at least we aren't actively going backwards

AutumnCrow · 15/05/2019 11:55

And a lot of anti-abortion zealots are very keen on the death penalty. Sanctity of life my arse.

Bugsymalonemumof2 · 15/05/2019 11:55

And I personally have had an abortion. Im not ashamed of it, it was the best choice for that pregnancy and it was my choice to make, no one elses.

Gth1234 · 15/05/2019 11:56

And this isn't a "religious" view, although I think it is a "moral" view.

higgyhog · 15/05/2019 11:56

Another whose first thought was "Gilead".

Quintella · 15/05/2019 11:57

'British Isles' is a geo-political term that is not used in Ireland, for obvious reasons I'd have thought.

Quintella · 15/05/2019 11:59

But it's not about "rights". It's about "laws". I am happy to comply with the law irrespective of my personal views. There are lots of laws that I think are wrong, but we can't pick and choose which laws we want to obey. Laws are the price we pay for living in a "safe" society,

Nothing 'safe' about women bleeding to death after undergoing a backstreet abortion.

TheWernethWife · 15/05/2019 11:59

Quintella totally agree with your comments.

Not one fuck do these evangelicals give about children once they’re born. This is just pure and unadulterated misogyny, keeping women impoverished and powerless.

AutumnCrow · 15/05/2019 11:59

Even the fairly socially conservative Isle of Man (not UK, it's a crown dependency in Irish Sea) has legalised abortion.

badlydrawnperson · 15/05/2019 11:59

Whereas in reality the wider American public is generally speaking pro access to abortion, pro universal healthcare, and pro gun control. How can Americans stand this?

Is this actually true? My impression (I don't profess to be an expert but have worked for several US companies and been to the US a lot) is that there are massive regional variations, but on the whole everyone I've met has been much more socially conservative.

badlydrawnperson · 15/05/2019 12:00

I certainly found very very few people in favour of universal healthcare - they think the NHS is crappy.