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Aprillygirl · 13/05/2019 10:51

the Jeremy Kyle Show guest was caused by suicide, and think that something like this happening has been a long time coming. Desperate and/or vulnerable guests publicly finding out terrible things or being berated and made to feel like shit on Jezza's shoe-even the ones who are admitting to their faults and have gone on the show voluntarily in order to get help. I'm not blaming JK as such and I know the aftercare is supposed to be fantastic but I just think sometimes the show does take it much too far in the name of entertainment.

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Fraxion · 13/05/2019 12:03

I had no idea this trash was still on television. Very sad it has taken a tragic event to get it canned, hopefully for good.

Aprillygirl · 13/05/2019 12:04

The JK sadly is not the only show who exploit the vulnerable either. I remember a few years ago being really upset when BGT bought back a woman,with obvious special needs, who thought she could sing twice in two years to be laughed at.

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KoalaTea · 13/05/2019 12:05

Lemon, they've confirmed a guest has died a week after filming the show.

To be honest, I can't see it just being suicide for them to have pulled the show and suspended filming indefinitely while they investigate the episode. It must be something worse.

They haven't cancelled Love Island over those people dying, so why JK?

PlinkPlink · 13/05/2019 12:05

I've just read in the Guardian article (think it was The Guardian) that all filming has been suspended whilst they review the episode that person took part in.

Apparently, they were pulled up by OFCOM in 2014 for not doing enough to prevent the distress and humiliation of a 17 year old guest who was called a "crackhead" and a "silly anorexic slapper" by her sister.

I'd say that the first time is a slap on the wrist kind of thing.
Second time will be far more final I'd hope.

Absolute shitshow. In a world where we know mental health struggles are extremely common, his show somehow still exists, parading their guests like some form of sadistic entertainment. Get it off the TV permanently.

Aprillygirl · 13/05/2019 12:08

@Koala probably because this death occurred only one week after the person appeared on the show so the connection is a lot clearer.

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outvoid · 13/05/2019 12:13

JK is like a modern day freak show. Not calling the guests freaks, I just mean it’s no different from the often middle and upper classes gathering to laugh at the vulnerable back in the day.

There’s no way most people watch JK because they genuinely have empathy and feel sorry for the guests. They watch it to laugh at those less fortunate than themselves. It’s utterly shameful and should have been taken off air many years ago.

IAmTheChosenOne · 13/05/2019 12:13

I think is dreadful, awful, to speculate

outvoid · 13/05/2019 12:14

Oh and I want to add it has absolutely no place in 2019. 2005 was vastly different, pre-social media even. We have moved forward and JK doesn’t have a place in our society anymore.

IAmTheChosenOne · 13/05/2019 12:14

I just mean it’s no different from the often middle and upper classes gathering to laugh at the vulnerable back in the day.

The working classes also paid their penny to go and gawp at inmate in the asylum. It wasn't a 'class' issue - everyone did it.

SkintAsASkintThing · 13/05/2019 12:16

JK has had a young girl on there repeatedly.

This girl is early 20s, shes had around 5 babies now to a convicted paedophile and each one has been removed at birth.

She attended the same SN school as my DD, she's extremely vulnerable and whisky her life may well be grubby it shouldn't be exploited on national TV......... she'll probably be on there.next year. When she has another baby in the hope of being able to keep it :(

Grumpymug · 13/05/2019 12:18

It's the modern day version of people paying to go into the lunatic asylums of old for entertainment. I don't think I've seen a full episode, switch it over if it's on, but plenty of people watch it and talk about it.
Like everyone else, I don't know how the poor person died but it's making me think there's a direct link to the show for it to be withdrawn like this. And I'm glad.

I remember a few years ago being really upset when BGT bought back a woman,with obvious special needs, who thought she could sing twice in two years to be laughed at

I remember that too @Aprillygirl, I had gone to someone's house for a girls night and saw it, I went home, didn't really want to be around people who found that funny, especially when they told me it was the second time.

How on earth can we expect the vulnerable in society to be cared for when things like that are seen as entertainment?

U2HasTheEdge · 13/05/2019 12:19

I don't think it is dreadful to speculate. It is just human nature.

I sometimes have the misfortune of it being on at work. It's just loads of bloody shouting and goading from JK. Someone on FB said they watch it because it makes them feel better about their life!

Cailleachian · 13/05/2019 13:00

"I remember a few years ago being really upset when BGT bought back a woman,with obvious special needs, who thought she could sing twice in two years to be laughed at"

She did get the last laugh tho.

Couple of honorary doctorates, platinum selling album, multiple music awards and a collection of world records.

ceecee32 · 13/05/2019 13:07

Manchester Evening News reporting that it was a celebrity special

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/danniella-westbrooks-jeremy-kyle-show-16267059

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 13/05/2019 13:08

She did get the last laugh tho.

Couple of honorary doctorates, platinum selling album, multiple music awards and a collection of world records.

Eh? You're not talking about Susan Boyle, are you? She didn't look conventionally beautiful and has ASD (I think), but she IS genuinely very talented and has a fantastic voice. I don't know who the PP was referring to, but I gather the poor lady in question believed herself to be talented when she actually had a terrible voice.

ReanimatedSGB · 13/05/2019 13:17

I actually remember the cultural shift in this sort of TV (clue: it got a lot worse around the turn of the century.) In my late 20s/30s I used to do some of the then-well-known bearpit shows like Central Weekend and Granada Upfront - I worked at a publishing house and was one of the 'faces' of that publishing house; they liked having a handful of staff go on TV shows and plug the product, which usually meant being on one side or the other of some contentious issue. For me this was a perk of the job - I would get paid a couple of hundred quid, plus food, drink, travel and quite often a night in a naice hotel. And I am enough of a hardass to have enjoyed the shouting and squabbling, and not to have taken any of it personally.
But there came a point where it began to feel... unethical to be part of it. From having a panel of 'experts' (or at least people who had some sort of career motivation to be there such as their new book or record to promote) with a few pre-booked random screamers in the audience, the Special Guests began to be, more and more, members of the public who had undergone some sort of trauma and had little or no media experience (OK, some of them were thick-skinned arrogant fucks, but most were just upset and bewildered.) I made a total arse of myself on one of the early shows I did - (and learned from it so was never caught out again so badly) the researchers would keep topping up your wineglass and encouraging you to 'stand your ground, say your piece, don't be shy'.
Just like the original Big Brother series: started out interesting and cautiously done, got gradually more and more about finding new ways to torture the stupid, desperate and unstable contestants. And, with Big Brother, it rapidly became obvious that this was a route to life-changing amounts of money and at least the chance of a media career, which was a pretty massive inducement to a lot of people in minimum-wage jobs or on benefits, with no connections to help them get into the media otherwise.

GodDammitAmy · 13/05/2019 13:19

Ceecee, the show was pulled today - the celebrity special has been pulled as all shows have been pulled. Nothing to do with the incident I don't think.

nauticant · 13/05/2019 13:23

Years ago I was chatting with someone who worked in production on a similar programme to Jeremy Kyle. If a couple at war was going to appear on the programme, they'd arrange hotel accommodation for them the night before, put them into adjacent rooms, try to get as much alcohol into the guests as possible, and then hope for a couple of disorientated guests to appear on the programme the next day, hungover, who were both angry at the other for the awful sex they'd had the night before.

ceecee32 · 13/05/2019 13:25

@GodDammit - oh yes your right. I misread it :(

UbbesPonytail · 13/05/2019 13:25

I worked on a show like this for a while (not directly with guests) and learned that:

  1. Most people ring about DNA or finding a long lost relative
  2. The producers / researchers go through as much with a person as possible to find the right ‘juicy’ story and wind said caller up about it so they agree to go on for that instead of the reason they actually rang in.
  3. After care is non-existent. It’s literally a sign off after the show.

I left because I couldn’t square it ethically; I was told I didn’t have what it takes to have a career anywhere if I wasn’t willing to exploit others for personal gain Hmm

It’s utterly heartbreaking that this had to happen for someone to go, ‘oh, maybe this isn’t okay...’

BasilTheGreat · 13/05/2019 13:25

Good riddance to that awful show!

GodDammitAmy · 13/05/2019 13:31

I hope this isn't just the end of the show but the awful hypocritical narcissistic host as well.

Redshoeblueshoe · 13/05/2019 13:38

ITV love this kind of shite program. After Colleen Nolan bullied that woman, she just kept her head down, and is now back. I don't watch Loose Women, but I'm amazed it's still on air.
I think ITV need a bloody good shake up.

diddl · 13/05/2019 13:42

"That show should be taken off air completely. Anyone who watches it should be ashamed of themselves, quite frankly."

Yup-if there was no market then it wouldn't be made.

But then I've never seen the appeal of any BB/reality/dine with me type stuff.

I guess I'm in a minority.

TixieLix · 13/05/2019 13:57

On the Sky News website it says "The show has run on ITV since 2005 and features Kyle solving the problems of his guests through on stage mediation". Solving the problems of his guests? Hardly! Whenever I've caught a bit of the show while channel hopping I've always seen guests raging at each other or JK himself shouting at guests, telling them to shut up, belittling them. Not sure if the whole show follows this format because small snippets are enough to make me switch to something else.

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