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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think double-barrelling surnames is just pushing the decision onto your kids?

60 replies

Valanice1989 · 07/05/2019 19:54

Whenever the discussion of double-barrelling names comes up, someone asks what the next generation will do. The most common solution I’ve heard is that when two people with double-barrelled names get married, they can simply drop one name each (i.e. Mr Harrison-Anderson and Ms Kaplinsky-Witherspoon might become the Harrison-Witherspoon family). However, if this ever becomes mainstream, I strongly suspect that we will eventually see a host of MN threads along these lines:

“My son is getting married and has decided to drop my name and keep his dad’s. I was the resident parent while he was growing up and his dad didn’t make much of an effort to see him or pay maintenance. AIBU to tell my son how hurt I am?”

“I’m getting married and I want to keep my mum’s name and drop my dad’s, because I’ve always been closer to her side of the family. However, my dad’s parents are upset with me because I’m their only grandchild. They pointed out that I have loads of cousins on my mum’s side whereas I’m their last chance to carry on the family name. I don’t want to fall out with them over this. Should I stick to my guns or just give in to keep the peace?”

“I thought I’d brought my sons up to see women as equals, but when they got married all three of them dropped my name and kept their dad’s. AIBU to be a bit peeved?”

“My dad died last year after a long illness. My daughter is getting married next month and has just told me that she wants to drop my name and keep her dad’s. I’m a bit taken aback by this, because it always seemed to me that she was very close to her grandpa. Her dad’s parents live far away and she didn’t see much of them growing up. AIBU to ask her why she’s so quick to drop her grandpa’s name just after he died?”

People might say that they will accept their children’s choices and won’t take them personally, but life isn’t always straightforward. It’s easy to say that if your kids are still young and you’re still with their other parent. As it is, children of divorce often already have to play piggy-in-the-middle well into adulthood (even at their own weddings – look at all the threads about step-parents wanting to sit at the top table). Adding the decision of which parents’ name to drop just seems unfair. And even if the parents are still together, there are lots of other scenarios in which choosing one name over another could cause problems in the family.

AIBU to think parents should be the ones to take responsibility for choosing a name? The other solution I’ve heard is for a couple to just pick a completely random new name when they get married, but I’m not sure many people would want to do that. I’m not familiar with any culture in the world that does so (although I’m happy to be corrected!). If the parents have different names, I think they should give the child the mother’s, as she’s statistically likelier to stick around. Plus, men have had the monopoly on surnames for so long, it seems fair to let women have a turn!

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Purpleartichoke · 07/05/2019 20:00

This is why we didn’t hyphenate. It’s not a sustainable tradition.

We decided to go with girls get my name and boys get his. That way we left it up to “chance,” but had a rule that our children could choose to replicate if they are so inclined. Right now, dd says she is going to do the same, but I have pointed out she gets to make the decision when the time comes and it’s my job to be ok with whatever she decides.

outvoid · 07/05/2019 20:01

I didn’t hyphenate but gave my DC’s both names and it’s up to them to choose. As it stands, they all like my name.

CMOTDibbler · 07/05/2019 20:05

We double barrelled for ds. He and any partner he chooses to commit to will be perfectly capable of their own decision, and I'd never give an opinion, nor would dh.

Among my Finnish colleagues it seems equally likely that they keep their names, one changes, double barrel or create a new ones. They may not be a representative sample as software engineers in Helsinki, but its worked out that way in the years I've worked with that group

DisplayPurposesOnly · 07/05/2019 20:05

The Spanish seem to manage.

ZippyBungleandGeorge · 07/05/2019 20:08

DH and I both double barrelled and our son has the same name, he and any future husband or wife can do whatever they please. It was important to me to have the same name as my children (while they are children) , and DHs surname is a well known diminutive of my first name eg Christine Chrissy (not my actual name) which would've sounded silly. People who complain about things like that in later generations would find something to be affronted by, if not names.

noodlenosefraggle · 07/05/2019 20:09

I think so what? An adult child gets to choose what their name is. I'm from a culture where they double barrel as a tradition, then the mothers name is automatically dropped on marriage so maybe its not the same thing but really if you are hurt by something your adult child has done, as in so many things, you have to respect their decision.

Rystall · 07/05/2019 20:12

But you’re not pushing the decision on to ‘kids’. By the time a decision needs to be made they’ll be fully fledged adults capable of making their own choice. This is such a non issue! 🤷‍♀️

Butchyrestingface · 07/05/2019 20:13

Spain copes.

mintbiscuit · 07/05/2019 20:14

Blimey OP, you’ve really given this some thought Grin

We’ve double barrelled our DC’s names. Tbh I didn’t really consider what they will do with them when they’re older. We’re a blended family so that was a key driver in decision. Not sure if DH and I are that bothered if they change them when older.

Pardonwhat · 07/05/2019 20:14

Plenty of societies cope.

MenuPlant · 07/05/2019 20:16

Yes I think so.

DH was already double barrelled
3 names would be silly
Couldn't drop one of his as either mum or dad would be upset

I took his name in the end such have everyone who knew me a bit of a shock 😁 but I do think it will be a bit of a tricky thing to navigate yes

RainbowWaffles · 07/05/2019 20:21

100 per cent agree and this is why I didn’t do it.

Churchillian · 07/05/2019 20:22

I have a double barrelled name and my husband has two surnames - tradition of the county he’s from. I didn’t change my name after I got married and neither did he, so it wasn’t a problem. We chose 2 out of the 4 surnames that worked together the best for the kids and didn’t double barrel them. Hasn’t caused us any issues so far.

Genevieva · 07/05/2019 20:23

All the scenarios you mention are possible. I have taught a boy with a double-barrel surname because the parents weren't together and couldn't agree on one or the other. His Dad's surname was intrinsically cool and his Mum's surname was a bit embarrassing. He used to say "as soon as I am 18 I am dropping my Mum's surname" even though he only saw his Dad sporadically.

I know a couple who took a grandparent's maiden name, another couple who chose a completely new surname when they got married and a couple who did a weird surname blend e.g if I take your Anderson - Witherspoon example, they became Anderspoon. The last of these made me think of Jedward. It just didn't sound like a real name. But they like it.

There have been some well known examples of people taking a completely different surname in the past. eg the Windsors.

dartitus · 07/05/2019 20:39

I was double barrelled with two of my fathers surnames (his mums maiden name and his last name), I actually find it a nuisance when trying to spell it on the phone 😂 and tend to drop one most of the time with the usual stuff, I know when I get married I’ll drop both and take my partners surname. Saying that though, I do have 4 brothers that will carry my maiden name on

Cantthinkofausername1990 · 07/05/2019 20:47

We've double barrelled with our kids, but it's only important to me while they are children and going to preschool and school as me and dp are not married.
I really don't care what they decide to do with their name when older.

Lazypuppy · 07/05/2019 20:57

We only double barrelled as a stop gap until we got married, then me and my dd will be changing our surname to my dp's

Valanice1989 · 07/05/2019 20:58

Blimey OP, you’ve really given this some thought Grin

I got into a long conversation with someone about it IRL, which is what sparked this post Grin

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Bugsymalonemumof2 · 07/05/2019 20:58

My children have a double barrelled surname, wasn't intentional but when we split I went to court to get my name added.

My daughter also has a double barrelled first name so it's a bit of a mouthful

palahvah · 07/05/2019 21:03

Spain 'copes' by defaulting to the children passing on their father's surname, and not their mother's, when they name their children. So the same patriarchal line but deferred by a generation.

Parker231 · 07/05/2019 21:09

It was automatic for us to double barrel DC’s surname as it was a given that they would have both our surnames. They can use whatever name they want in the future. They are at Uni but still both using their full surname - they like that it represents their heritage as DH and I are from different countries with different languages.

Camomila · 07/05/2019 21:12

We double barrelled. I won't be offended if DS drops my name in the future (DHs surname is shorter and easier).

I'm married but had no intention of changing my name...and wanted to have the same name as any DC. DH offered for us all to be double barrel but it seemed too much effort (changing docs etc)

Namenic · 07/05/2019 21:18

Sometimes having clear ‘rules’ prevents offence. Eg the custom of taking husband’s name or taking maternal and paternal grandfathers’ names.

A sustainable equal system would be for girls to take grandmothers names and boys to take grandfathers. Or as a PP said - for boys to take fathers and girls to take mothers names. But people should just do what they feel and like.

Laiste · 07/05/2019 21:25

I agree OP.

From reading this it seems that in countries where double barreling is the 'done thing' there is also an accepted done thing for dealing with it further down the line. (ie: the mother's name gets dropped).

We don't have an accepted done thing and i can well imagine the situations you describe becoming quite common.

When my SIL married her first husband she kept her name and when their DS came along they double barreled his name. DS is now 13. They messily divorced and XH is pretty much out of the picture completely. SIL is very pained by the fact that her name is still linked side by side with XH's via her son. If the son had had his father's name in the traditional way she would still have to live with that - however - in these double barreled circumstances she seems to think he can/should just drop his fathers half of the name and white wash him away. She makes heavy hints to her DS about it usually at family gatherings after a few glasses of wine quite often. He gets visibly uncomfortable. He obviously doesn't want to. It's not nice.

cannotmakemymindup · 07/05/2019 21:29

We have a double barrelled surname but it isn't even one is mine, both are DHs think step parents who brought him up and biological family. If our child wants to simplify her life and drop both names I really won't mind. I certainly wish we could. So long winded and have to be spelt out.
I definitely will not be causing issues or anything if and when she changes name or gets married as we had hassle from some family nobody be needing that.