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AIBU?

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to think double-barrelling surnames is just pushing the decision onto your kids?

60 replies

Valanice1989 · 07/05/2019 19:54

Whenever the discussion of double-barrelling names comes up, someone asks what the next generation will do. The most common solution I’ve heard is that when two people with double-barrelled names get married, they can simply drop one name each (i.e. Mr Harrison-Anderson and Ms Kaplinsky-Witherspoon might become the Harrison-Witherspoon family). However, if this ever becomes mainstream, I strongly suspect that we will eventually see a host of MN threads along these lines:

“My son is getting married and has decided to drop my name and keep his dad’s. I was the resident parent while he was growing up and his dad didn’t make much of an effort to see him or pay maintenance. AIBU to tell my son how hurt I am?”

“I’m getting married and I want to keep my mum’s name and drop my dad’s, because I’ve always been closer to her side of the family. However, my dad’s parents are upset with me because I’m their only grandchild. They pointed out that I have loads of cousins on my mum’s side whereas I’m their last chance to carry on the family name. I don’t want to fall out with them over this. Should I stick to my guns or just give in to keep the peace?”

“I thought I’d brought my sons up to see women as equals, but when they got married all three of them dropped my name and kept their dad’s. AIBU to be a bit peeved?”

“My dad died last year after a long illness. My daughter is getting married next month and has just told me that she wants to drop my name and keep her dad’s. I’m a bit taken aback by this, because it always seemed to me that she was very close to her grandpa. Her dad’s parents live far away and she didn’t see much of them growing up. AIBU to ask her why she’s so quick to drop her grandpa’s name just after he died?”

People might say that they will accept their children’s choices and won’t take them personally, but life isn’t always straightforward. It’s easy to say that if your kids are still young and you’re still with their other parent. As it is, children of divorce often already have to play piggy-in-the-middle well into adulthood (even at their own weddings – look at all the threads about step-parents wanting to sit at the top table). Adding the decision of which parents’ name to drop just seems unfair. And even if the parents are still together, there are lots of other scenarios in which choosing one name over another could cause problems in the family.

AIBU to think parents should be the ones to take responsibility for choosing a name? The other solution I’ve heard is for a couple to just pick a completely random new name when they get married, but I’m not sure many people would want to do that. I’m not familiar with any culture in the world that does so (although I’m happy to be corrected!). If the parents have different names, I think they should give the child the mother’s, as she’s statistically likelier to stick around. Plus, men have had the monopoly on surnames for so long, it seems fair to let women have a turn!

OP posts:
orangejuiced · 07/05/2019 21:33

My kids have double barrelled surnames. I'm glad as I've never changed my name and dont ever plan to. I have no issue if they want to change it when they're adults or if they drop a name and double barrel for their kids.

I wouldn't be comfortable if my kids didn't have my surname and I have no issue with them having XH surname too, hes their father FGS.

OddBoots · 07/05/2019 21:36

In a culture where this is a relatively new way of doing things I agree, it is going to cause a few upsets. I am sure people will work things out though, and as someone else said, anyone who gets worked up about it would find something to be bugged about.

flirtygirl · 07/05/2019 21:36

I didn't double barrel but just added my husbands name to my own for some things. Kept my maiden name for others.

Now divorced I simply have to drop the last name and I still have my name. Same for my kids. I did get deed polls for any organisations that asked. It was easy for me as I still had id in my old name, ie driving licence in maiden name and passport in married name.

Now I could pay to change my passport but will change them all when they run out in 7 or so years. The cost and not wanting to part with my red passport will make me keep and travel in the married name.

spanishwife · 07/05/2019 22:08

Spain has a well established 'rule' just as we do in England e.g. you take husband's name.

Just as this is starting to become less common in the UK, so is the system in Spain. I have a couple of Spanish friends raised by their mothers who decided to swap the order and therefore take their mum's last name as their second last name when they got married. It then will pass onto their kids but not their grandkids (unless they decide to change from the norm too).

Just like all families, it's ok to decide what's best for you at the appropriate time. Rules don't need to be stuck by so strongly anymore.

Your kids can decide how to structure their name as they see fit, give them the name you want them to have now

spanishwife · 07/05/2019 22:10
  • should read "first last name when they got married

As in, when they were ready to have kids, they swapped their names legally so their kids got their mothers name in their surname

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 07/05/2019 22:15

My DD has a double barrelled surname- I’m not precious about my surname on her, practically though I want it to be easily recognisable that I’m her mother/ guardian- whether travelling or at the drs. When she turns 18 she can drop my name- it’s nice to take your dads name from a traditional stand point (I’m keeping my dads!)

SarahAndQuack · 07/05/2019 22:15

Not necessarily. We're in the process of double-barrelling, and TBH I don't care which name DD picks. I can't imagine caring further down the line, either. And so long as she marries another woman, I'll never have to think about the patriarchal implications. Job done. Smile

BusterTheBulldog · 07/05/2019 22:30

Completely agree op.

Littlecaf · 07/05/2019 22:35

I understand but it’s just a name. We gave our kids one of our surnames, the easier one to spell!

Igotthemheavyboobs · 07/05/2019 22:36

My dp has a double barrelled surname and I have an easy, short one word one. We have discussed it and I don't want his name becuase it's too bloody long! 8 years together and I still have to think to spell it. We have decided he will probably take mine, or we will pick a new random name we both like (why not?) but triple barrelling was not an option!

PocketFluff · 07/05/2019 23:00

If I get married again I don't think I could do anything but double barrel our names. Although it would never be my first choice of surnames! Unless a future husband wanted to just take mine. My children are still tiny and I would want them to have the same surname as me. But there's no way I could remove my late husband's surname from them.

jaynelovesagathachristie · 08/05/2019 00:38

Here in Portugal the names just get added. I have students with 4 surnames totally normal. Usually just use the last one which is usually dads. No dropping names when married just adding. It's much better imo

Bambamber · 08/05/2019 01:41

If people aren't bothered if their child drops their part of the surname, why double barrel it in the first place?

OwlBeThere · 08/05/2019 01:50

@spanishwife, you mean Britain not England. There are 3 other countries in the UK.

My kids don’t have my name, I can’t say it’s ever been an issue about ‘belonging’ to me. Their dads name is nicer and made picking first names easier so that’s what we did.

TheNanny23 · 08/05/2019 02:02

@bambamber

My husband has thought about any children of ours having just my name, but worries that it will cause issues and confusion if children and I have one name and him another. So double barrel and they can drop one when they’re older if they so wish.

AgentJohnson · 08/05/2019 03:53

AIBU to ask her why she’s so quick to drop her grandpa’s name just after he died?”

Do you really not see the passive aggressiveness/ emotionally manipulativeness on this question. You chose to give your child two names and therefore opened the door to them choosing later on.

aurynne · 08/05/2019 04:08

"palahvah Tue 07-May-19 21:03:28
Spain 'copes' by defaulting to the children passing on their father's surname, and not their mother's, when they name their children. So the same patriarchal line but deferred by a generation"

You don't known much about Spanish traditions do you?

Spanish children get the first family name from mum and the first family name from dad, and the couple choose which one goes first. The only rule is that all siblings from same parents have to have the same order.

In the past the father's name went first, but it has not been like that for about 25 years now.

No one changes their name on marriage, I've always found that tradition quite baffling! regardless who you marry, you will always have come from your mother and father.

Pardonwhat · 08/05/2019 07:22

Bambamber

Because I grew her for 9 months and then spent 2 hours in stirrups being stitched up when I gave birth.
I’ll be damned if my identity isn’t worth noting as part of hers.

spanishwife · 08/05/2019 07:48

@OwlBeThere no I mean England. I was raised in England and have little awareness of the other countries' rituals and traditions, hence why I only referred to England as to not assume.

UrsulaPandress · 08/05/2019 07:52

My dd has a double barrelled surname.

She moans about filling in forms and announced on a recent holiday that she may drop one. Cue a hard stare from me. As she was alone with me she of course said she would choose mine. But I know she wouldn't want to upset her father.

Ha ha. First world problems.

BusterTheBulldog · 08/05/2019 08:29

Ursula it’s not first world problems it’s a shit problem. I hated my dB surname and couldn’t wait to get rid of it, I can’t believe my parents would saddle me with it without thought.

UrsulaPandress · 08/05/2019 08:38

Gosh. I meant first world problem for my DD having to decide who to offend, me or her father.

NCforthis2019 · 08/05/2019 08:41

My daughter will just drop my name and take my husbands-their husbands name. I did the same when I got married - dropped my mothers name, kept my fathers and hyphenated my husbands name.

NCforthis2019 · 08/05/2019 08:41

^^ wouldn’t offend me

CalpolOnToast · 08/05/2019 08:50

Really not bothered what my double-barrelled son does with his name when he gets married or has kids. It's his name just as much as it's mine or DHs. No harm for a bloke to think about this stuff just like women have for hundreds of years.