To think I shouldn't be THIS heavy??

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So to start, I know I am no supermodel. Fairly tall at 5'8, size 14, smaller waist, medium bust. Fairly curvy arse/ thighs but toned. I am fit and strong and exercise 4-5x per week, including strength training.

Now I know measurements and photos are a better gauge than the scales, and muscle is meant to weigh more than fat (but I thought that was bullshit).....I am 14.5 stone! I have a friend with the same body measurements as me and same height and she is TWO STONE lighter.
Can some people just be 'heavy'???

Rivers, i've spent 15yrs trying to lose weight, it isnt through lack of trying. I've done evvvvery diet going. Low carb is the only thing that comes close to working, works a treat on my insulin resistance.

I cant help but think my metabolism is buggered. I think things would have been different if, at 17 and 3st lighter my doctor hadnt tutted and said 'your bmi is right at the upper level for your height, you should lose weight, try eating less'

I'm not surprised. Diets usually work by demonising certain foods, instead of teaching good habits.

Alienator, your body type is exactly the same as mine - broad shoulders, strong legs, hourglass. I too, have always been outside ‘normal’ BMI even as a teenager when I starved and exercised myself into the ground chasing the unattainable skinny, small-framed ideal. I was my absolute leanest then, yet I was still ‘overweight’ no matter how much I tortured myself.

I just ignore the weight recommendations now. I can see well enough what I look like in the mirror and work from there.

P.S. I had a belly laugh at the suggestion the scales must be broken.

bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html/

"People who will claim with their dying breath “I can’t lose weight.” or “I can’t gain weight.” can be shown to do so when their caloric intake and caloric output is strictly controlled (meaning in a metabolic ward where every meal is meticulously weighed and measured) [...]

"It might not be fun, it might not be sustainable, but it will happen. As a buddy of mine once asked: “Why don’t you ever see a fat person come out of a concentration camp?” But that’s essentially what a fat person claiming they can’t lose weight on 500 calories per day is suggesting can happen. Because in the face of low enough calories and sufficient activity, weight has to be lost. Or the person dies. Nothing else can happen. Yet folks seem intent on believing that somehow the basic laws of the universe apply to everyone but them."

Same, Paradise. Rivers sounds as glib as my doctors, who all had a different version of what good habits were. Think i'll stick with what doesnt make me ill or deprived - low carb.

"It might not be fun, it might not be sustainable, but it will happen. As a buddy of mine once asked: “Why don’t you ever see a fat person come out of a concentration camp?” But that’s essentially what a fat person claiming they can’t lose weight on 500 calories per day is suggesting can happen.

Failing to see the use of a trchnique thats unsustainable?

Fun fact: when my doc insisted i started recording calories, i was on 400 most days. Then i'd binge pure glucose to prevent death, which when, after 12yrs, they changed their tune from 'could you eat less and move more?' To 'you have BED, try to eat more and regularly'. I was losing hair, vanished periods, and my weight was climbing at the time. BMI is not infallible.

"Kennehora - neil oliver covered it in one of his progs"

The flab wouldn't last 500 years would it, there'd only be a skeleton. Can they guess the weight back from the skeleton?
I suppose there were fat people in the 'olden days' - mainly rich people I suppose.

That last post was a quote from Lyle mcDonald.

You were not gaining weight on 400 cals. That is a delusion.

Gwen maybe it was a bog body? Where the corpses are naturally mummified in peat.

Rivers, thanks, but do you honestly think we haven’t tried counting calories before? Multiple times, and every time it was a flop. Concentration camp is about the right analogy. Absolute torture. One can’t live like that. It is cruel. People attempt to cut calories, deny themselves, deprive themselves of any pleasure, are hungry all the time. What a surprise, they are lucky if they stick it beyond 12 months. Can’t think why they are unable to live like that forever 🤔

No, eating sensible portions is nothing being in a concentration camp.

I'm out of this thread. I hate seeing self harm. Good luck.

DieselSucker Sun 05-May-19 08:56:52
@wafflenpffft I don't think that what you eat is excessive, that seems quite normal to me. The world would be quite sad if people were only slim because they eat like birds.

But my point is I don't eat 'like a bird' - my point is paradise has a natural realionship with food - I eat lots more - she eats very little! Sorry to 'about you' Paris but your diet is horrific - you have one meal a day and that's not normal no matter xx

Alienator that is so terrible. I am glad you have recovered and have a healthy body now. Well done, I am in awe of you 💐

What is ‘sensible’ though? An amount of food can be sensible for one, but is stuffing yourself sick for another, or is undernourishment for the third. People are so different. Compare your build and and that of Alienator. She can never be as thin as you, whatever she does. Just look at the difference in size of your upper bodies, rib cages and shoulder widths. You both are at good weight for your frames. You are within recommended BMI, but Alienator is 3st (!) over. As a teenager, I called it unfair. Now in my late thirties I call it b***cks.

Sorry that was to Rivers.

@wafflenpffft that's what I said. What you eat is normal to me.

Waffle, great for you that you can put food away! I pay for every single doughnut and icecream I eat. And can literally wake up 2kg heavier the next morning. I know, sounds like fiction to you, but it is a reality for me. Wouldn’t it be great if I were like you, could eat anything and not give it a second thought?

After much searching, at long last I have found something that works for me, keeps my weight steady without effort, doesn’t keep me starving all the time and generally makes me feel great.

If unwanted weight gain has never been an issue for you, my experience is not relevant. Please ignore.

The flab wouldn't last 500 years would it, there'd only be a skeleton. Can they guess the weight back from the skeleton?
I suppose there were fat people in the 'olden days' - mainly rich people I suppose.
Yes this was weight estimated via skeleton - it might not have been flab? She might have been muscular, i am very strong and active so perhaps she shared my build? The time period pre-dates the concept of rich and poor.

You were not gaining weight on 400 cals. That is a delusion.

Brb, gotta ring my doctor and tell him he was wrong, his scales were broken or some shit. Or are you calling me a liar?

@OnlineAlienator for your body shape I would do cardio and pilates. Stay away from cycling and high resistance workouts, that would make your legs bulky.

Most of my job is resistance tbh! I am a good weight lifter, always been a poor runner. I'm endurance rather than sprint, like a cart horse (which i am built like). I took up running at christmas and made good progress but atm i have NO energy left after 12hr night shifts which involve 20k steps and heavy lifting :/

Long distance running would be good to slim the legs not sprinting. Yes it is hard to find the energy if you're working 12hrs shifts.

I'll get back to it when my contract finishes - i enjoy the idea of clocking up big distances rather than high speeds

How many people on secret eaters kept food diaries that claimed they eat very little but in fact were eating a LOT. They couldn't understand it either.

@OnlineAlienator @ParadiseInDisguise you are my people! Some nasty comments on here and people wonder why there is such bias on weight and being skinny. I'm 5ft8 and 13 stone 7 - I'm very broadbacked too which doesn't help! Sick of seeing people saying fat - I train 6 days a week and still my weight doesn't change much, my shape does but not my weight. Do I care now? Not a fucking jot. I'm the fittest I have ever been - I can't run 5k in 21 mins though currently that's 30 mins.