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Would you take this neighbour to Court? *[Warning from MNHQ: thread describes dog attack, including graphic image]

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mydogisthebest · 26/04/2019 22:03

Me and DH moved house at the beginning of last year. Next door neighbour and his wife and children had moved in about 3 weeks before us.

He was very friendly from day 1 but was always wanting to borrow something - lawnmower, hedge cutter, hose pipe, screwdrivers, drill - loads of things. He also borrowed money twice - one time £50 and the other time £100 (he came to the back door at 10.30pm for the first loan and 7am for the second which annoyed me).

Anyway about 4 months after moving his dog got into our garden through a gap in the hedge. It's a thick hedge and there was a gap big enough for him to get into his side and then wriggle his way through to us. We have 2 dogs but they were indoors at the time. He had already told us his dog did not like other dogs so I called out to him and he came into our garden and got his dog. I showed him where the dog had got through and he said he would put something there so he didn't get through again.

About a month later our dogs were in the garden but up by the house. We have a fence round the patio with a gate so that if it is muddy we can keep them off the grass. Next door's dog came through (in the same place as before) and started barking and growling at our dogs. One of our dogs started barking back at him. As soon as he did so next door's dog flew at him and grabbed his face. Our dog was screaming and the other dog was just literally ripping at his face.

The neighbour came in and had to keep punching his dog in the head to get him off our dog. Our poor dog's face was ripped open one side and he was bleeding badly. The neighbour was so apologetic and kept saying he would pay for the vet and please would we not report his dog or tell anyone about it. He said he had not done anything to the hedge as he forgot!

Our dog needed over 100 stitches in his face from his mouth up to his ear. The vet bill was £500.

We were meant to be going to London for a long weekend 2 days after this happened but could not go as we could not put our dog with a sitter when he had to have painkillers and antibiotics every couple of hours. Also he can get a cone off within seconds so had to be watched 24/7.

We had paid out for an Airbnb, theatre tickets and tickets for the anniversary games at the Olympic Stadium - about £400 in total.

We told the neighbour we had lost the money but never expected him to pay it only the vet bill plus the £100 he still owed (this was over a month after he borrowed it). He kept saying he had no money and would have to pay weekly but just didn't. He paid £25 about a month after and then nothing. We didn't want to hassle too much - he has 2 young children and had just found out his wife was pregnant again (not planned) and they obviously don't have much money.

He then started getting stroppy saying we should have sorted the hedge so he was only going to pay half. He said he would pay £250 In October and then the remainder in November (the attack was in July). He paid the £250 but then nothing.

I must admit we didn't chase him partly because we felt sorry for them and also we didn't really want the unpleasantness when it was the next door neighbour. The thing that annoyed us the most was that he just didn't say anything else about it. If he had said they just could not afford it we would not have been so annoyed.

So we haven't spoken to them since October. We put a fence along our side of the hedge (over 100 foot long so cost a fair bit). Their dog still lunges at the hedge every time one of our dogs is in our garden snarling and barking which bothers me.

The last couple of weeks the guy has been a pain. He keeps moaning about us parking opposite his garden gates. He doesn't park in his garden and, even if he did, it is an ordinary width road and we park partly on the pavement so he can easily get in and out. If we don't park there other neighbours do.

Wednesday he started shouting about our car and said we were not to park there. There are no yellow lines and there is room for his 2 cars to park too so we couldn't see what his problem was.

We have had 2 large metal gates stored in his garden from about last June. He had more room for them than us and, at the time, was happy to store them.

To be honest we had forgotten about them. Anyway on Wednesday he said he wanted the gates moved the next day or he would get the scrap man to collect them. DH said he would move them but could not do so before the weekend. They are really heavy and need at least 2 people to move them and there was no one to help until the weekend. DH warned him that if he got rid of them we would take it further and also take him to Court to get the money back for the rest of the money owed to us

This afternoon a scrap guy came round and took the gates away on a truck. It looked like a tow truck with a hoist and that is how he lifted them.

I haven't told DH because I know he will be furious. Also I guess the neighbour got money for them and they were over 6ft high and very large and heavy so possibly a good amount.

I am so angry when I think how we helped him so many times plus we didn't report his dog or tell anyone when we could have told all the other neighbours.

I know when I tell DH he will want to take him to Court for the vet fees and, quite possibly the money we lost on our cancelled trip.

I do realise that we should not have left the gates in his garden for so long and he was entitled to want rid of them but to give us 1 day to move them and to probably make money from them when he owes us I think is disgusting.

Would you take him to Court and, if so, would you also claim the money lost on the cancelled trip?

OP posts:
MardyMavis · 27/04/2019 12:29

Report the fucker now plus he has young kids and a vicious dog? As for lending him money you were stupid and he is a cf to even have asked.

InceyWinceyette · 27/04/2019 13:34

DingDong do you honestly not understand the difference between “some solicitors give 30 mins....”
and “You are entitled to a free consultation with any solicitors in the country, go straight to them and pick a good one. It's free”.

And whether these solicitors who are either working pro bono for a charity, or offering a quick free pre meeting as a way of attracting business will do this in a civil case in which the OP watched the gates being taken away is another matter.

It is useful for people to know that it is a possibility. It is not useful to spread misinformation about what is a right or an entitlement or that any solicitor in the land will do it.

Dongdingdong · 27/04/2019 13:42

Incey and Adobe - where have I ever said this?

“You are entitled to a free consultation with any solicitors in the country, go straight to them and pick a good one. It's free”.

All I said was it’s useful for the OP to know that some solicitors do offer free advice. Honestly...

prh47bridge · 27/04/2019 13:50

In your first post on this thread you said, "All the posters saying you’re not entitled to 30 minutes free legal advice are wrong". That was wrong. You are not entitled to 30 minutes free legal advice. You may be able to get it but that is a different matter.

I suspect some posters may be confusing you with optimisticpessimist01 who made the comment you quote. But you did use the word "entitled", which is still wrong.

Inrestlessdreamsiwalkalone · 27/04/2019 14:04

Technically the gates weren't on his property but on the landlords property as they legally own it.

Either way it is still theft if he had agreed for them to be stored there and didn't give reasonable time to remove them.

Re legal advice, salvation army have lawyers who will do the odd bit of advice for free and charge minimal amount to send letters (based on actual experience)

Dongdingdong · 27/04/2019 14:25

@prh47bridge I just googled synonyms of "entitled" and they include "qualify", "make eligible", "allow", "permit". The OP does qualify (or is eligible) for free legal advice from those solicitors who offer it. It's a perfectly fine word to use.

Everydaypeople · 27/04/2019 14:40

He would probably claim that you owe him money for the storage of the gates.

AdobeWanKenobi · 27/04/2019 15:21

Incey and Adobe - where have I ever said this?

You are entitled to a free consultation with any solicitors in the country, go straight to them and pick a good one. It's free, the only thing it will cost you is your time

For clarity. You are not entitled to a free consultation with any solicitors in the country.

some solicitors might offer this service.

Entitled to suggests a legal right. You are not legally entitled to a free half hour.

Bookworm4 · 27/04/2019 15:55

Can we stop with the 'it could've have been a child' crap regards the dog; dog aggression is a different thing from human aggression, I've worked with dogs for years and some of the most dog on dog aggression are amazing with people; it's two separate behaviours. Please do not let your anger lead to a dog being pts. I would speak to the neighbour and explain that you were very accommodating regards dog incident and that he really needs to wind his neck in regards parking etc and he needs to repay vet fees or the matter will go further. Regards the gate you could've spoke to scrap guy and asked he put them in your garden.

InceyWinceyette · 27/04/2019 16:00

DingDong :
You said “All the posters saying you’re not entitled to 30 minutes free legal advice are wrong. ”

There is no entitlement. Especially in the way it was first mooted as from ‘Any solicitor in the country’.

That is different from ‘might be able to get’.

prh47bridge is a lawyer. Reading his posts might help.

Dongdingdong · 27/04/2019 16:03

Adobe, I repeat - I did NOT say that people are entitled to a free consultation with "any solicitor in the country", as that is not true. I'm not sure why you keep stating that I said that - unless like Prh47 said, you're mixing me up with another poster who did say that up-thread.

Entitled may "suggest" a legal right to you, but it also has other meanings and is therefore a perfectly acceptable word to use in this instance.

OP - I suggest you find a solicitor who does offer 30 minutes of free legal advice (that you are perfectly entitled to take) and see what they say.

Dongdingdong · 27/04/2019 16:06

Incey as I said to Prh47 just a few posts ago, synonyms of the word "entitled" include "qualify", "make eligible", "allow", "permit". The OP does qualify (and is eligible) for free legal advice from those solicitors who offer it and I would suggest she takes one of them up on that. It's a perfectly fine word to use.

InceyWinceyette · 27/04/2019 16:09

Ding you said “All the posters saying you’re not entitled to 30 minutes free legal advice are wrong”

1.There is no entitlement.

  1. It is up to individual solicitors to decide whether to offer it
  2. The posters who were saying it was wrong were also answering in the context that the person who originally offered this wrong advice said ‘any solicitor in the country’.
InceyWinceyette · 27/04/2019 16:11

I would be interested to know whether any solicitors would give a free half hour over a civil case involving gates.

I wouldn’t. (If I was a solicitor, which I am not)

AdobeWanKenobi · 27/04/2019 16:25

Ding apologies, I mixed up the quote and it was optimisticpessimist01 that trotted out that absurd line.

Entitled suggests a legal right.

www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/entitled

Either way, this is going round in circles. Some Solicitors will offer free consultations. MN posters have discovered over the years they are very few and far between.

Everydaypeople · 27/04/2019 17:39

Gategate

Jaxhog · 27/04/2019 17:42

Please, please report the dog attack. Even if you don't want to pursue him for your VET costs (I would), the police/dog warden need to have the attack on record in case there is a future incident.

I would also complain to his LL. It may not achieve anything, but it may also give the LL ammunition if he wants to get rid of him for any other reasons.

Your neighbour may get more stroppy as a result, but it looks like he's headed that way anyway. And keep a note (dates, times) of every single incident. You may need this in the future.

Smotheroffive · 27/04/2019 23:26

^AdobeWanKenobi

Always amusing to see the fabled 'Free half hour' appear. Brilliant stuff.^

Always amusing it is...'fabled' is it!

How funny. Well you are wrong. Now that's funny. Really talking out your arse and goady to boot

Smotheroffive · 27/04/2019 23:35

You came here OP very angry about a vicious and upsetting unprovoked attack on your ddog, never mind the rest.

You don't want to report this. How scared are you of this man and his ddog, or are you more concerned about being nice?

Keeping his dangerous ddog dirty secret from his neighbours who think he is charmed personified. Yet he can't keep his ddog under control. That's illegal. It caused severe injury, for which he is liable.

He stole your gates, for which he is liable.

All you have to do is pay £60 and complete an application form.

I'm really not sure what you hoped anyone would say, maybe, oh no don't worry about the highly aggressive ddog, or having your property stolen? Whichbis what you seem to want.

Then there's the fact he's renting, and you should report his conduct to his agents, especially that he's bothering you for loans! They might not be aware that he has a ddog there! The landlord should be managing that.

Dongdingdong · 28/04/2019 17:57

Incey I’ve made my point several times now in previous posts. As I’ve said all along, the OP is entitled to 30 minutes of free legal advice from solicitors who offer that service - and they are out there. I’m not sure why you’re disagreeing with that when it’s fact - unless you don’t understand the meaning of the word entitled?

As I’ve pointed out already on this thread, synonyms of entitled include eligible, allowed, permitted etc. It’s therefore a perfectly acceptable word to use in this context.

Thank you Adobe - apology accepted! And agree this is going round in circles so I’m moving on now.

Hope you get it sorted OP! Flowers

acomingin · 28/04/2019 18:12

Court and police. And report his behaviour to his landlord. With a bit of luck he'll get evicted.

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