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To say this monster should never be released

84 replies

Mummymummums · 25/04/2019 19:19

He murdered three tots. Was not mentally ill, and has never explained why. Yet apparently he has changed a lot in prison and is cleared for release.
How can this be right?
AIBU to say that this man must surely be pure evil. Or can he really have changed?
Note: the articles give details, especially the 2nd one, which some may prefer not to read.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-48039373
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-46443110

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Aquamarine1029 · 25/04/2019 19:25

It's an outrage that this monster is being released, and unimaginable that anyone would approve it. He should have been buried under the prison.

YouBumder · 25/04/2019 19:26

I only read about this case fairly recently. It is horrific beyond belief. Someone capable of such depravity should never be freed.

MrsMozartMkII · 25/04/2019 19:27

Bloody hell!

How the fuck can he be released.

RosaWaiting · 25/04/2019 19:30

I don't understand this either

but then again, a lot of the "risk of reoffending" cases are a mystery to me - quite why they classify him as low risk or whatever, I don't know.

in any case, I'm a great believer in punishment and this isn't someone who deserves to be let out.

HollowTalk · 25/04/2019 19:31

What an appalling case. And 45 years inside has improved him? That's hard to believe.

NoBaggyPants · 25/04/2019 19:33

When someone has been in prison for that long it's no longer a punishment, it's all they know and they'll have their routines and be relatively comfortable. A life on the outside will inevitably be more stressful and restrictive. I'm surprised he even wants to be released.

The crime is abhorrent. I just don't believe that detention for life is as much of a punishment as people think it is.

Mummymummums · 25/04/2019 19:36

Quite. If no one knows why he did it, and he wasn't ill and so not treatable, how can he be ok now?
Coming to a town near you or me soon. Awful.

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RosaWaiting · 25/04/2019 19:37

Baggy "When someone has been in prison for that long it's no longer a punishment, it's all they know and they'll have their routines and be relatively comfortable."

interesting point - but for the people who don't want prison to be a punishment, that should be even more of a reason to keep him inside.

who benefits from his release, there'll be a ££ connection there I'm sure.

There just isn't a reason to release someone who murdered three people and felt the need to impale their bodies.

badlydrawnperson · 25/04/2019 19:38

YANBU OP I cannot imagine how he will make any kind of worthwhile contribution to society now.

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EmeraldShamrock · 25/04/2019 19:45

An eye for an eye. Awful crime. Unfortunately it is not unusual for ruthless psychopaths to be freed back into society. Prison sentences in the U.K. and Ireland are a joke.
Judges need to be firmer, it's like cat and mouse between the judge and the garda, unless you don't pay for your tv licence, then the judge will come down hard.

ZippyBungleandGeorge · 25/04/2019 19:47

You're saying no one knows why he did it or why he's no longer a risk, his probation officer, the governor and the parole board must or he wouldn't be being released

ZippyBungleandGeorge · 25/04/2019 19:47

He will also be subject to MAPPA

Pannalash · 25/04/2019 19:48

Absolutely terrifying that he can be even considered for release.

RosaWaiting · 25/04/2019 19:50

Josepheen he is being released. He was in an open prison and a bail hostel before.

unless there's any options for a challenge like with John Worboys?

ZippyBungleandGeorge · 25/04/2019 19:50

I've said it maybe a million times on here harsher sentences do not reduce the reoffending rate (and therefore risk to the public), money spent on effective rehabilitation and interventions does. The US has the death penalty their rate if recidivism is double ours, Norway have high risk prisons with no cells where the inmates are called residents and everything is focused on education, rehabilitation and reintegration, their recidivism is half ours.

HollowTalk · 25/04/2019 19:52

I can't understand why he's being released if he feels no remorse. Surely that should be an important factor? And I know someone might pretend they feel remorse, but if they can't even do that, what hope is there?

RosaWaiting · 25/04/2019 19:52

zippy - so what, MAPPA say themselves that nothing is risk-free.

do I want to see people like him and Warboys locked away forever? Hell yes. Do I think that makes us a more civilised society? Hell yes.

Mummymummums · 25/04/2019 19:53

The news story says the Parole Board day he's changed considerably. Presumably that's why they think he's not a risk. But no one ever had an inkling he'd do this to the children so how can they know.
As far as I can see he's never said why he did it and a motive was never found. Which to me, equals pure evil as the motive.

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Mummymummums · 25/04/2019 19:54

Zippy harsher sentences might not reduce reoffending, but if he's never released he can't reoffend.

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ZippyBungleandGeorge · 25/04/2019 19:58

Evil isn't motivation it's tabloid rhetoric and the parole board will have been in receipt of all kinds of information that isn't available to the press. He will be monitored and managed in the community, he has been assessed as being manageable within the community having served 45 years. The other manager will have presented a robust risk management plan and Mappa will have added to that with police controls and monitoring if necessary. Nothing in this life is risk free, but almost all serious further offences come from low and low medium risk of serious harm offenders, but high or very high risk as they are much more tightly monitored as this man will be. He's already been in open conditions so will have had ROTLs out in the community.

ZippyBungleandGeorge · 25/04/2019 19:59

*offender manager

Dana28 · 25/04/2019 19:59

I have read about this horrific crime before.
But It was a hell of a long time ago.He isn't really the same person after 46 years.He has served his time and been presumably assessed as posing no risk.Im thus case people should Be allowed to move on

madcatladyforever · 25/04/2019 20:04

I've worked in prisons and he should never be released quite honestly. People like that don't change.

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