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To hate people who don’t know the difference between is and are.

125 replies

mumofanoxonian · 23/04/2019 20:25

“There is loads of issues”

NO

There ARE

Is= singular
are=plural

It’s not fucking hard!!!!!

OP posts:
EmeraldShamrock · 24/04/2019 13:53

PP's if you stop thinking of yourself as superior, perhaps be grateful you had an education, be grateful you had a clearer head to concentrate in school, you had role models to correct you and show you the way.
Do not use it as a power to put others down.
I bet most of the judges have issues be it weight, DH insecurities, prescription drugs, lower MC problems, crawling to be upper. Life is not perfect for anyone. Smile

KissingInTheRain · 24/04/2019 14:07

Barring disability, surely grammar is within everyone’s reach, like arithmetic? After all, we all do the hard bit, actually learning the language in the first place, quite naturally, so I can’t see why basic grammar should be unattainable.

Having said that, although there are some times you’d expect good grammar - formal letters and notices etc - I don’t think anyone should pounce on errors in casual conversation, including online.

UCOforAC12 · 24/04/2019 14:09

We was is a figure of speech near where I grew up 'yes you was' etc. Always like nails down a blackboard to me.

HennyPennyHorror · 24/04/2019 14:20

I hate the way Americans say "I forgot my bag at home"

NO YOU DIDN'T!!!

You forgot to bring it! You left it at home!

InadvertentlyBrilliant · 24/04/2019 14:22

@awwlookatmybabyspider

I can't bear it when people write 'some where' along the line rather than somewhere along the line.

PlainVanilla · 24/04/2019 14:29

The difference and correct usage of bring and take?

CharityConundrum · 24/04/2019 14:35

Why is 'less' Vs 'fewer' a thing when 'more' suffices when going the other way and nobody suggests we use 'greater' instead.

Having been the type to be annoyed about incorrect use in the past, I now wonder why I cared when they are words that mean the same thing and it's a fairly arbitrary rule that distinguishes one from the other.

InvisibleLlamaBurningCamel · 24/04/2019 14:38

What is your opinion on people who use too many exclamation marks and no full stops OP?

mimibunz · 24/04/2019 14:41

I hate the way the British say ‘“I went round the shop.” Nope! You’re missing a couple of words! And “was sat” instead of “sitting” is just bad English.

InadvertentlyBrilliant · 24/04/2019 14:44

@EmeraldShamrock
I don't believe the OP feels superior or even actually hates anyone for their grammatical errors. They are just annoyed because plenty of posters do have errors in their MN posts.

I think it's good to kindly point them out (it could help a poster land a great job by improving their covering letter). Why should those of us whose grammar is generally good have to learn how to decipher what is being written in a post?

It shouldn't be a race to the bottom. We should all want to improve ourselves in all ways.

TheTitOfTheIceberg · 24/04/2019 14:51

SPAG errors jump out at me whenever I'm reading something - I used to proof read technical documentation in a former life so the ability to spot errors is hardwired in now. Some of them (e.g. 'could/would/should of', 'give free reign to', or mixing up 'less/fewer', 'myself/me' or 'bought/brought') actually make me wince. I genuinely wish I could stop noticing them as reading some things is almost physically painful but they pull me out of whatever I'm reading every time.

I try really, really hard not to judge people who make these kinds of mistakes though, especially in informal settings such as social media. I'm very conscious that I was privileged to have an education that covered use of spelling and grammar and to have found it to be a skill I picked up easily. My ability to carry out complex mental arithmetic, strip down a car engine or speak multiple languages however...poor to non-existent, but I'm rarely judged negatively on open forums (or should that be fora... Grin) for that.

I will say that IME people I know with dyslexia often make more effort to write and spell correctly than those without, because they - or at least some of them - rely on the shape or pattern of the word and if it's incorrect it throws them off.

EmeraldShamrock · 24/04/2019 14:58

InadvertentlyBrilliant I agree we should all aim for continuous improvement, accept constructive criticism, learn from reading educated posters threads. I have and taking all the above from certain brilliant posters.
I do not see you as one of them.
Your comment to babyspider was rude and goady, not constructive criticism at all.

StateofIndependance · 24/04/2019 15:01

Where I live people say 'Is it?' As a answer to everything.

'I got this dress today from Primark'
'Is it?'

'Fred's going to the pub tonight'
'Is it?'

It's nice once you get used to it. Things can still make sense without conforming to the rules of formal written English. You should chill.

KissingInTheRain · 24/04/2019 15:03

State

Is that Wales? I noticed a lot of ‘is it?’ in Wales and I thought it was nice too.

M4J4 · 24/04/2019 15:04

@echt

It was the first time I'd seen sub-literate stuff, in writing yet, on the TV.

The sentence above is grammatically incorrect as well, though!

Kel801 · 24/04/2019 15:05

Yes i think you probably is x

RomanyQueen1 · 24/04/2019 15:08

Hate is a bit OTT, do you never make any mistakes?
I'm the same with less or fewer, it's hardly rocket science.
I don't hate people for lacking good English skills though, as we weren't all blessed with a good education.

MsChookandtheelvesofFahFah · 24/04/2019 16:13

From year 1 you are taught < and > mean less than and greater than so it's hardly surprising that people don't always use fewer and less in the right context.

ChangedNC · 24/04/2019 16:56

"I think it's good to kindly point them out (it could help a poster land a great job by improving their covering letter). Why should those of us whose grammar is generally good have to learn how to decipher what is being written in a post?"

InadvertentlyBrilliant it's not kind if people find it rude, patronising or hurtful (and personally I would find it to be all three of those things).

We aren't applying for jobs, nor are you our employer. We didn't ask for your corrections. We are chatting informally on a forum. It's arrogant and condescending to think this is an environment where people should welcome (and feel grateful for!) your unasked for criticism.

And it's very rare indeed surely that a post is indecipherable? If it is, perhaps you could click on something else - you don't have to decipher anything or reply to anything here which is not up to the standard you expect Hmm

I recognise that you feel some people require your corrections because they aren't intelligent or educated enough. But (this is a genuine question and I'm genuinely interested in your answer to this) how can you tell whether someone is saying there instead of their due to lack of education or whether they have (eg) dyslexia, brain injury, side effect of meds, processing issues etc?

You really could offend someone in that case (I fall into this category and I would be offended). You can't tell from my incorrect use of "their" whether I didn't listen in English lessons or my brain can't retrieve the right word due to a disability.

Is your need to "help someone get a great job"Hmm or make something easier for you to read, worth upsetting someone by pointing out and criticising their incorrect grammar (which is caused by a disability)? You mention kindness, it would be kinder to say nothing. If you absolutely really felt a terrible need to correct someone, you could PM someone I suppose - but then of course you wouldn't be showing everyone else on the thread how superior you are?

If I could kindly point something you to you, it would be you can be kind or you can be right.

ChangedNC · 24/04/2019 16:59

I've actually annoyed myself with that especially glaring error in my last sentence Hmm Grin

daisypond · 24/04/2019 17:29

The contacted form “ there’s” instead of “there are” in a plural context is OK in spoken English, though not in a written one, especially in a list. I used to teach English as a foreign language and I remember this was in the textbook - Cambridge course.

daisypond · 24/04/2019 17:30

That should read contracted, not contacted.

Klopptimist · 24/04/2019 17:33

I have went to DM's
The kids need fed
I would of said this
Orders are now been taken

Is there anyone here who is an expert on the English language? I have a question. When I read something like 'I don't know whether to bring DD swimming with me' or 'Susan has 'flu so I will bring her some soup', it just doesn't seem right. Surely it should be 'take', not 'bring'?

floribunda18 · 24/04/2019 18:19

I think unreasonable grammar pedants are actually rather insecure about other aspects of themselves, probably that they haven't quite reached the social status in life they to which feel they are entitled. But words...they can do words, hey that's something they can be superior about!. You just come across looking like a right twat I'm afraid. Pretty much everyone who does it has been middle class for only one or two generations, and feels the need to distinguish themselves from the hoi polloi.

echt · 24/04/2019 23:13

It was the first time I'd seen sub-literate stuff, in writing yet, on the TV
The sentence above is grammatically incorrect as well, though!

Is it? How? I would never claim not to make errors, but can't see what's wrong with it.