AIBU to think Brexit has shone light on a really unpleasant racist underbelly allowing it to flourish?

[KennDodd]

I know, I know not all Leavers are racist, really, I do know that. But the (lovely, non racist) Leavers must be able to see this, they really cant be blind to the unsavoury characters and groups promoting Brexit for all their worth. I don't know what can be done about this, if there's any way to put these groups back in the box?

Europe is at a crossroads. We march on as civilised progressive societies or we jump backwards. The far right want us to willingly blame others for our woes and spread fear so we’re in a situation where we’re begging for them to take our rights and freedoms away to ‘protect’ us

This. This. This.

You are with us or against us.

Racists voted for remain as well

Well you would know Rufus since theyd express racist views to you but not foreigners. It can be sly like that here.

Doesnt change the fact that Brexit rhetoric is racist fearmongering and shit stirring with fascist undertones "others" are the cause of all the problems". Which Brexiters are well aware of yet pretend they dont go along with it.

Its like The Emperors New Clothes in terms of level of denial. Including selectively unseeing the rise of open racism since Brexit was mooted

dee

I dont think it helps when posters come out wth utter bollocks such as 'all racists voted leave'

Windowsareforcheaters
UKIP a party associated with Brexit and linked to NF is now advised by a member an ex leader of the EDL.

And voters seem to be deserting UKIP - that's a good thing - they lost their only MP in 2017.

Now that we've denounced UKIP - what are we going to do about the Labour Party? We can't have people voting for them either - they are associated with anti-Semitism. What's our plan?

longwayoff
Dominic Cummings, Cambridge Analytica, Aaron Banks and the Barclay Brothers

Perhaps you can explain why George Soros - the Hungarian-born US financier (known as the man who "Broke the Bank of England") has already donated £800,000 to the anti-Brexit Best for Britain campaign?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44331013

Windows Racists everywhere should be condemned from the EDL to the anti-semites in Momentum and the Labour party. Do you condemn the latter?

I am interested in why you are so keen to query where everyone stands on the far right and UKIP though. Where do you stand on Momentum?

However, 'racist' is a tad dog whistling, as often it is culture and attitudes that are objected to, as opposed to skin colour., and yet to question those is considered racist. Look at Rotherham and Rochdale.

I think you do need to understand what you oppose in order to see why you oppose it, and what has led people there. It's all too easy to condemn and virtue signal without having an insight into what has shaped this. Yes, the media has a part to play, but it can be down to growing up in places where there is little diversity (and not everyone grows up in diverse metropolitan areas); not engaging with your education for whatever reason; feeling 'other' and 'outside' yourself; not having in material goods, looks or intellect what others have. Easy to point the finger and to condemn, without trying to understand, try to effect change, or offer a way out to people.

Look at Rotherham and Rochdale.

The offenders here are framed by their skin colour and religion. I never saw Jimmy Saville et al ethinicity or religion questioned.

Rufus

No different than saying Remainers are racist too really. As said its sly here, so-called liberals and SJWs arent above racism either, they just think their brand is naicer as its couched in long bouts of whitesplaining around the houses what racism is and how those who experience it should think feel and respond to it.

The point is that Brexiteer racists crawled out of the woodwork and are on a high that open racism is acceptable now.

Racism is 'utter bollocks'. Doesnt stop the ignoramuses from perpetuating it and pretending its not happening..

I think (white) Catholic priests have something of a reputation.

I think (white) Catholic priests have something of a reputation.

Not aware of the far right being particularly vocal about calling it out.

I am happy to condemn anti semitism in the Labour Party I have done it loudly and clearly on every thread where it is mentioned. I will not be voting labour until it is clear they have sorted out the issue.

I am clear and unequivocal on this matter. No ifs. No buts. No issue with repeating this as often as necessary.

I think the the idea that there are special non diverse areas of the U.K. that need special treatment is massively patronising. To suggest only those brought up in diverse areas can oppose facism is hugely insulting.

We definitely need to work more intensively with young people to change the narrative. Austerity has reduced the funding and investment in education and youth work leaving us exposed to extremism from the right, the left and extreme forms of religion. I have these conversations with young people all the time.

As adults we need to be clear about what is acceptable and what is not. We need to be firm in out condemnation of the rise of the right and the links to facism. Both UKip and the Brexit Party have these people in them.

Racism is 'utter bollocks'

Can you explain this please...

Clavinova. George Soros is not a fascist. He doesn't like them. He has reason not to. He is Jewish so he knows whereof he speaks. And the more money he donates to oppose them is fine by me. I agree with him. Now you tell us about the dirty money and electoral malpractice by the aforementioned Banks et al.

I agree with you OP. Even Nigel Farage has admitted that UKIP has become a racist party. I believe that extremist groups flourish on chaos and this presents them with an ideal opportunity. I worry about this country destabilising. Is this a perfect storm for a racist / extremist group to gain power? Confidence in the Tory and Labour parties is at a low. Lib Dem’s aren’t taken seriously. I’ve heard that far right groups are looking to infiltrate the EU elections. Labour has been taken over by the far left and now it looks like the far right are doing the same.

Rufus No. You'll have to get your rocks off taking the piss out of racism some other way

chlo

Yeah

There is no middle ground anymore...it just seems to be bunched at opposite ends

Unfinished That's how I felt about Militant Tendency in the 80s, and still do now.

Your language is reminiscent of that... we march on...no we don't. Europe (or do you mean the EU, as they are separate things), has differing views on this. Being 'progressive' for the sake of it can backfire, and actually, not everyone wants to be progressive. Some like old traditions and an older ethos. We need to think about what we should do, as opposed to what we can.

Not wanting to be part of a nascent federal superstate / the United States of Europe is not a bad thing; caution needs to be exercised. It took a civil war for the USA to emerge. Do we want one?

Rufus No. You'll have to get your rocks off taking the piss out of racism some other way

At no point have i said racism is bollocks

Why are people making up shit that hasnt been said

The most racist people I know are Remain voters.

I voted Leave and am horrified if people think I am racist.

It’s a much more nuanced argument for many. And you can be concerned about the type of immigration and numbers without being racist.

I don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to see this. It isn’t binary.

Dominic Cummings, Cambridge Analytica, Aaron Banks and the Barclay Brothers

Perhaps you can explain why George Soros - the Hungarian-born US financier (known as the man who "Broke the Bank of England") has already donated £800,000 to the anti-Brexit Best for Britain campaign?

But we know about Soros and how he got his money, though it was the Tories that caused the ERM crisis not Soros, its not a secret... where as we do not know where Banks got the £6m from, nor is Remain subject to breaking electoral law or a NCA enquiry into Banks and Leave.eu

Anyhow, you are just doing classic "whataboutery"

Racism is an easy insult to throw out and a difficult one to defend.

Not aware of the far right being particularly vocal about calling it out.

Can't say that I've ever heard the (modern day) Far-right say anything about anything - I haven't had an occasion to listen to them.

I am happy to condemn anti-semitism in the Labour Party

Not just anti-Semitism in the Labour Party - the whole of the Labour Party - until they stamp out anti-Semitism.

3 of the Polish families I know are leaving because of feeling they have no place here anymore. I had a heartfelt chat with one mother (i've also taught her daughter last year) and she described feeling unwelcome, and a general increase in nasty, derisory behaviour. I will miss them because they are intelligent, hardworking and articulate people that we cannot replace.

In school i have noticed, and reported, a rise in children parroting right wing nonsense. I've done a great deal of pshe work in class to combat racist behaviour. It is greatly concerning to me and very evident in my part of the UK, which is very UKIP/ Leave. And also very poor.

phleba

There has definitely been a rise in racism, people have been empowered to be more open about it

Peregrina You misunderstand me. If we vote, that vote is with the majority, and that vote is ignored or overturned, then that vote is worthless, and is a fig leave for the elected to hide behind.

It's the reduction of those who should be actors in the democratic process to ciphers, who are acted upon, because the result they obtained by the vote they cast has been ignored.

There is a huge gap, rapidly becoming a chasm, between the governed and the governing. That never ends well.

Can't say that I've ever heard the (modern day) Far-right say anything about anything - I haven't had an occasion to listen to them.

Then why comment on a general subject matter/thread in which you are obviously poorly informed?