AIBU to think Brexit has shone light on a really unpleasant racist underbelly allowing it to flourish?

[KennDodd]

I know, I know not all Leavers are racist, really, I do know that. But the (lovely, non racist) Leavers must be able to see this, they really cant be blind to the unsavoury characters and groups promoting Brexit for all their worth. I don't know what can be done about this, if there's any way to put these groups back in the box?

Who do you think will listen to them? 52% of voters?

Why do you keep saying stuff that no one has actually said

then we are not an active part of the democratic process,

Since when has an advisory Referendum been the only form of democracy known to this country?

So the Local elections in a few weeks time have been cancelled have they? Or May has decreed that there are to be no more General Elections? Not to my knowledge.

If you can't be bothered to vote in them, then yes, you are not taking an active part in the democratic process. The answer to that is to get involved. Don't forget that even 'safe seats' can turn the other way, if enough people get involved e.g. Labour in Scotland being replaced by SNP, the seat in Canterbury at the last election not electing a Tory for the first time ever.

for the truly hard of thinking the sun

Little bit of a reality check, there are no doubt people who read any given newspaper that are more intelligent than you. Or probably Amy of us.

Ha, any.

Brexiteers are pro-immigration. They are in favour of controlled immigration for skilled people from anywhere in the world but against uncontrolled immigration from just 26 (predominantly white) European countries, regardless of qualifications. If anyone is guilty of racism surely it’s the ones who only want white Europeans to come to our country. Leavers want to be able to welcome refugees - and people with skills - from all over the world. These people will benefit the UK in many areas of life including the NHS, science and industry. There will be more immigration from Asia and Africa if we leave the EU. That is a good thing. Only a diverse nation can flourish in the modern world.

My mum voted leave because there are too many brown people in London and it has to stop. I doubt she'd agree with you lucyinthefry.

Leavers want to be able to welcome refugees - and people with skills - from all over the world.

A handful of Leavers I don't doubt. All Leavers - no. Why else would Farage pose in front of a big poster of Syrian Refugees talking about Breaking Point? Furthermore a poster which mimicked the worst of Nazi propaganda. Don't try to argue that he didn't know what he was doing - he knew exactly what he was about.

He's only trying to distance himself now from the worst racists because he scents that his new Brexit party will appeal to disenchanted Tories, who just won't buy the extreme racism of the EDL types. You know, the sort of minor racist/anti immigrant type who will say 'Oh I didn't mean you' when called out on racist or anti-immigrant remarks.

Yes OP you are absolutely correct, ERG members hanging out with german fascists and with Steve Bannon "Be proud if you're a white supremacist", nauseating people propagating their vile views across Europe. These are the people who believe they're fit to govern us. I reckon they're fit for something else.

Leavers want to be able to welcome refugees - and people with skills - from all over the world.

I think you have zero conception of what it's like to be a refugee. Do you seriously think the Home Office looks at a refugee's skills when they decide whether to grant them leave to remain in the UK?

No one on this thread speaks for all the 16 OR 17 million

So all leave voters want this and all remain voters want that is a load of bollocks

And that goes both ways

I've just watched the spire of Notre Dame fall into the flames. Its sad and hopefully not prophetic

It's very sad and upsetting to see Notre Dame on fire, I wonder how it started.

What ....its actually on fire?

Off to look

Oh goodness that's dreadful

Hope everyone is ok

Yes Rufus one of the windows has gone as well
Here's the thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3560619-Notre-Dame-cathedral-is-on-fire

Thanks portia

Just read an article, they reckon it was due to building works

@scaryteacher

A PP mentioned that if you don't adhere to the narrative of the left, then you are perceived as far right

Absolutely not. If you are a member of the EDL you are far right. If you are the leader of the EDL you are far right. If you are in UKIP and you choose to associate with the leader of the EDL you are far right.

I have quoted Michael Heseltine, Nigel Farage and the Financial Times all calling UKIP a racist, far right party. These people are not following the narrative of the left.

You should be scared. The facist right are gaining votes and being excused by posters on threads like this.

We need to stand shoulder to shoulder opposing the far right not excusing and explaining them.

Brexiteers are pro-immigration.

Bar a small handful every, and I mean every brexiter I know is massively to the point of paranoia, anti immigration. Especially of people that are not white.

Two out of the six candidates featured on the Brexit Party website clearly have Asian heritage.

I know several degree-educated Asians who voted to Leave the EU.

That's like "I'm not a racist, because my friend is a Muslim ".

Windows is correct. We need to recognise these people for what they are and speak out against their filthy beliefs. If we don't then our silence will be perceived as acceptance and we will be colluding in giving power to those so desperate for it. Don't think they will never come for you. Whoever you are.

Not everyone who voted Leave is a racist, but I bet that every racist voted Leave.

My goodness, this has been busy! Will read through the thread.

@bellinisurge

Two out of the six candidates featured on the Brexit Party website clearly have Asian heritage - quote from @Clavinova

That's not like my best friend us Asian that is my best friend is Asian.

Even before it had launched, the Brexit Party had had to sack both its designated leader, Catherine Blaiklock – Nigel came in as a late replacement – for making Islamophobic statements and retweeting a Neo-Nazi and Martin McGough, the party treasurer, who had posted anti-Semitic comments on Twitter. Say what you like, the Brexit Party adopts an equal opportunities policy in its racism

The above quote is from GQ - not the Socialist Worker.

These people are racists. They are far right, populists. They are not friendly, cuddly British people who like a joke. These people are fascists.

Windows Caffelatte said this Although I will say, going off on a tangent in answer to the original question, that there are many things which people feel they cannot say these days as they are labeled as 'extreme' or right wing and therefore not woke or modern or left wing. The left seem to have a view these days that their view is the only acceptable viewpoint. This in turn has led to a rise in people becoming more extreme as they feel unheard. Brexit is a symptom of this and I feel if we cannot debate things sensibly then the rise of the far right will sadly continue sad

I have see this on MN since the referendum result more and more; I hear it on the BBC. I agree that the EDL is far right, and I am not a member of UKIP; but you need to ask yourself why the far right are gaining votes perhaps. What in peoples' lives draws them to that, or makes them feel as if they have found their tribe? All very well to condemn them, but to change their mindset you need to understand them.