To think that the Brexit Party is the most exciting thing to happen in British politics in years

[ChavvyOldBrexiteer]

1000 candidates have applied for 73 seats, nearly a million pounds raised with small donations, buzz and brexitement on the ether and the sense that the 2 party system may be over for good....at last some good news for Brexiteers.

Viva la Revolucion!

Absolutely not. Horrific ultra right/wing politics.

@widows

I don't think it matters who the threat are, more that people can see the nation is happy to squander their lives at will, but not happy to implement their vote.

Personally, I voted on the losing side, and what I expect to happen now is that the result is implemented in a democratic fashion.

It gives me no comfort if incompetent or dictatorial behaviour favours what I want, because they still disregarded my decision as much as anyone else and will do what they want. That is a lot worse than not getting what you want, which is actually a part of the whole deal. At this point our country is an international embarrassment.

The motivation behind the formation of the EU was to make war between European states unthinkable ever again. The idea of us going to war against Germany again is utterly ludicrous.

Will they still be chasing each other up and down the street, have a massive punch up and land one of their members in hospital with bleeding on the brain, while quickly stuffing that incident under the carpet?

Thugs in shirts and ties with degrees are still thugs.

justarandomtricycle

but not happy to implement their vote

You must know this by now but I'll say it again. It was an advisory referendum. It would have been overturned if it had been legal due to election malpractice.

Many countries have multiple referenda on the same subject as options change. What is embarrassing is how little people in the U.K. understand the constitution of the country they live in.

I've just read (Evening Standard online) that town halls in London have written/are writing to hundreds of thousands of EU citizens - to encourage them to vote in the EU Elections - not that they want to give the impression that UK voters have changed their minds or anything.

Nigel Farage has left UKIP -- he has a radio phone-in slot on LBC four times a week - he is obviously considered mainstream. and a non-threat to society.

Two of the six candidates featured on the Brexit Party website have British Asian heritage - Nigel Farage clearly has no problem with highly skilled immigration from all over the world.

Therefore, I can't see any problem at all in voting for the Brexit Party in the EU elections - I just want parliament to honour the result of the referendum - but if they don't - I want to be represented by people opposed to a federal EU.

If there is a general election - I shall be voting for my local (Conservative) MP - who also voted to Leave the EU in 2016.

The next EU masterplan is to control our tax policies - to be introduced gradually of course - but even so.

PMSL - all the frothers!!!!

Definitely worth checking out www.thebrexitparty.com

Viva la revolucion indeed!

@Clavinova re a federal EU

I think I may have said this before. Federalism means devolved power. Making power more local and more accountable locally.

You oppose a federal EU so what you want is more EU power centralised in Brussels.?

@Clavinova re the Brexit party. I have already posted this:

Catherine Blaiklock, the leader of the Brexit party, repeatedly retweeted posts from far-right figures as well as sending her own messages. Among the messages she shared was one by Mark Collett, a former British National party (BNP) activist, referring to “white genocide”

The Brexit party was lead by someone who is racists. Is it too much of a leap to suggest other people in the party feel the same way as their (ex) leader?

Farage supported this woman and worked closely with her. Has Farage been fooled yet again by all those people around him? He seems to make the mistake of working closely with people who have racists views time and again.

Are you willing to risk voting for a party that based on past evidence will soon descend into a nasty mess of racist vitriol and they will do this in your name with your vote?

soon descend into a nasty mess of racist vitriol

If they descend into a nasty mess of racist vitriol then I won't vote for them - obviously.

Otherwise - I shall vote as I please - even if that disagrees with you.

I can't stand Jeremy Corbyn or John McDonnell - but some people seem to like them - their vote - their choice.

JanartaMeen

“I'm always fascinated that people continue to fall for this conman and his endless quest to milk them and the EU for money. It's quite bewildering to watch. I would feel sorry for them, but they only have themselves to blame. Fools. Embarrassing fools.“

You’re being very generous to them Janarta. I can think of at least a dozen more descriptions.

@Clavinova
Obviously you can vote exactly how you want. No one has said or implied otherwise.

My point is that Blaiklock co founded this party. She retweeted messages originally posted by members of the BNP.

I would choose not to vote for a party co founded by a racist. If you found a party like minded people often join you, they read and agree with your social media and twitter accounts. Blaiklock regularly posted racist messages.

The far right is rising in the U.K. it is being given support by many who voted for Brexit. This is extremely is the legacy of the Mosley and his Blackshirts.

The Labour Party has groups in it that are on the edges of mainstream politics as does the Conservative party I'm thinking of Momentum and the ERG. However, they are both still within the bounds of mainstream.

UKIP and the Brexit Party have crossed the line, they are racist parties.

You vote according to your conscience but other people may find the idea of voting for a party founded by racists morally repugnant.

Windowsareforcheaters

I think I may have said this before. Federalism means devolved power. Making power more local and more accountable locally.

Yes, I think you did - something along the lines of a United States of Europe - sorry, but that doesn't appeal to me.

You vote according to your conscience

Yes, I will - as far as I'm concerned - the Brexit Party is simply a vehicle to help us leave the EU and honour the result of the referendum. No doubt it will cease to be relevant as a political party once that aim is achieved.

The far right is rising in the U.K.

I disagree and note your comment on a recent thread;

"UKIP was never going to gain power and were not as popular as people like to think."

Indeed - "In the 2017 local elections, UKIP lost all of the 145 seats it was defending–and, a month later, won a miserable 1.8 per cent of the vote.

However, 17.4 million voters simply want to leave the EU - and part of the Remainer plot is to employ shaming and ridicule tactics - in order to change their opinion.

I've just been looking at an anti-Brexit website - they are boasting that 20% fewer Leave voters will vote in the EU Elections (in protest at the debacle in parliament) - compared to Remain voters - therefore, if any Leave voters are thinking of abstaining in the EU Elections - might I suggest you think about voting for the Brexit Party instead...

might I suggest you think about voting for the Brexit Party instead...

As good as done where my vote is concerned Clavinova

UKIP is not the entirety of the far right. UKIP was not going to gain 'governmental' power then or now. However, UKIP and other far right parties can cause an awful lot of misery and distress without gaining power.

The right will split the country turning neighbours against neighbours.

The idea that people can control the right is often sadly mistaken. You believe you are using them to get your goal but they end up using you. Republicans thought they could control Trump and they failed. Von Papen thought he could control Hitler and he failed.

Don't kid yourself that you are using them. If you vote for them you become them. These people are racists who are friends with facists.

The rise of the right in Europe is frightening and should not be taken lightly. We may leave the EU and become all that you hope to escape in terms of controlling dictatorial governments.

time4chocolate

Windowsareforcheaters
If you vote for them you become them.

Oh, give it a rest - you might as well say that all Labour voters are Marxists and anti-Semites.

you might as well say that all Labour voters are Marxists and anti-Semites

Anti semites possibly.

Marxists don't be silly. The Labour Party is just about a socialist party nowadays.

However, I won't be voting Labour until they get themselves sorted out in relation to anti semitism.

You make your own accommodation with voting for racist parties, I can't.

It will be interesting to see how many former Labour votes the Brexit party attract.

InternetArgument
European elections would be straightforward for me, whichever candidate is pro-remain. I have absolutely no idea wth to vote for if there’s a GE. Have voted mostly Labour I suppose in the past, JC and McDonnell have firmly put paid to that idea for the foreseeable. Have also voted conservative and Liberal Democrat, tactically or on local issues. Can’t vote for Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg et al, which is what it will effectively be, whoever the leader is at the time. Lib Dem’s a completely wasted vote where we are now, as is independents. UKIP are monstrous, the new UKIP light not much better.
I don’t want to spoil my vote but I really don’t know what to do. I Imagine there are many like me.

Windowsareforcheaters

Marxists don't be silly.The Labour Party is just about a socialist party nowadays.

In this video clip - John McDonnell quite clearly says;
"I am a Marxist"

www.pulsemedia-online.co.uk/john-mcdonnell-i-am-a-marxist/

However, I am not going to harangue Labour voters and try to shame them - they are entitled to vote as they choose - confident in the knowledge that they are not Marxists (or anti-Semites) themselves.

But I look forward to reading your anti-Marxism/anti-Semitism thread - it's your duty as a Labour supporter - you can't just walk away - what's your battle plan?

And who will get your vote in the EU Elections - if it's not Labour?

But I look forward to reading your anti-Marxism/anti-Semitism thread - it's your duty as a Labour supporter - you can't just walk away - what's your battle plan?

What is it with leavers telling me what I think and who I vote for.

I have voted labour but I have also voted Green, Lib Dem and Independent. I am not a member of the Labour Party and I will not support them with my vote until the anti semitism issue is resolved.

What I won't do is vote for a racist party and then try to make the debate about something else.

The Brexit Party and UKIP are racist parties. If you knowingly vote for a party founded by or run by racists what does that make you?

try to shame them

If you knowingly vote for a racist party I don't need to shame you, you do it to yourself.

If you knowingly vote for a racist party I don't need to shame you, you do it to yourself

They have British Asian candidates on their website - therefore I don't regard the Brexit Party as racist.

Which party will you be voting for - are you ashamed to say?

Perhaps you are not a UK citizen at all?

Windowsareforcheaters
What is it with leavers telling me what I think and who I vote for.

I thought that was your tactic? You're getting a bit huffy with a dose of your own medicine.