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Is this CF behaviour?

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UghNotYouAgain · 12/04/2019 11:59

Namechanged and this is going to be long, so please bear with me and thank you for reading in advance. I need to get this off my chest and maybe someone will come along with good advice.

I joined an amateur drama group and after acting one season, my friend and I were given the opportunities to direct the next production which is a pretty big deal and we are very excited and happy. The group is incredibly supportive and everything is fine on that front.
However, there's one person who is making trouble. I will try not to dripfeed and give you as much backstory as possible.
This person had been a member of the group before my friend and I joined but left the season we joined after a massive rift, caused by him being unreliable to work with, always late and quite volatile at times (not physically, but verbally abusive). It got so bad that the manager of the group blacklisted him, so he wouldn't be cast in the future (it's a community project so they don't usually exclude people). After this he wasn't cast in the next production and didn't get something to do backstage either because people refused to work with him as he was unpleasant. He kicked off after this rejection, insulting and harassing the directors and people in charge of backstage departments via text, social media and email, simply creating new accounts when he was blocked. He even stalked one of the girls until he was cautioned by the police. After this he went to some sort of therapy, when he finished he announced he wouldn't have anything to do with the drama group anymore, deleted everyone's numbers and left the group chat. This didn't last long however as he soon started texting people again and showed up to a performance simply to make people feel uncomfortable.
So far for the backstory, when the play for the next season was announced in the group chat, I received a text from an unknown number shortly afterwards. It was this person, asking if it was true that I was directing. I said yes and gave him short but polite answers about the auditioning process. He then started to ask questions about the script and started to badmouth other members of the group to me. I told him truthfully that I couldn't answer these questions because these things were only between the directors and management at that time. His tone had been friendly until then but after my message he asked if I was "always this blunt and hostile", because he was "just trying to get to know the directors". I ignored the message and he didn't try again. He probably thought we didn't know the backstory and it would be an easy way back in. He also sent us friend requests on facebook and was just very "in your face" which made me and my friend very uncomfortable.
Today we have received an email from this person on the "official" drama group address, where he didn't address me, only my co-director and stated that our audition dates didn't suit him, so could he come 30 minutes before finishing and we just give him a monologue there or send it per email. The audition process usually includes some improv and reading with other members of the group, so we can see how they go together. On these things we then chose a monologue for each person auditioning to learn by heart to perform in front of us. There are three audition dates and as a former member he should be well acquainted with the process.
AIBU to tell him that if he wants to audition, he has to do the same things everyone else does? And are we unreasonable to not want to include him at all because of his past behaviour? Personally, even without knowing the backstory, I would have had enough after him trying to suck up to me while simultaneously insulting me but maybe I am overreacting. How would you deal with the issue?

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Bringbackthestripes · 12/04/2019 13:07

I'd reply with "As you know, you have previously been banned from this drama group. Do not contact me again or I will report you for harrassment." Never ever reply.

^this.
Seems bizarre you have even given him details of the auditions tbh and by letting him audition you are getting his hopes up which will result in way more anger when he finds out he won’t be getting a part anyway. In fact I would say it would be cruel to let him audition and could be very damaging to his MH.

UghNotYouAgain · 12/04/2019 13:09

To everyone asking because we are considering letting him audition: The manager, who is in a higher position than we are, told us that the easiest way is to let him audition and then simply not cast him on the grounds of him being on the blacklist and he wants it done that way, even though us directors aren't wholly comfortable with that plan. We have written to him after today's email and after hearing that police was involved (we were only told about this recently) and hope he will change his mind but without his consent we cannot categorically exclude him from auditioning. The situation is quite difficult unfortunately.
We informed the other members of the group that he has contacted us and are keeping them up to date with what is happening, so far none of them are really worried.
I personally don't want to be in the same room as him. There will be a bunch of people in the building during the auditions and we might ask our partners to pick us up afterwards.

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BeansandRice · 12/04/2019 13:13

AIBU to tell him that if he wants to audition, he has to do the same things everyone else does?

Of course YANBU. He is BU.

Oh the joys of the amdram life! At least it'll make a funny anecdote in the pub after rehearsals.

Good luck Break a leg and hold fast!

Sparklesocks · 12/04/2019 13:14

Are you going to tell him he’s on the blacklist after he auditions to explain why he isn’t getting cast? Surely that would make him even more aggressive, because he’s just wasted time for something that would have never happened anyway? Not that I’m defending him, just that it might make the situation worse. Unless you’re not telling him he’s blacklisted, but in that case he might start badgering you asking why he didn’t get in?

Someoneonlyyouknow · 12/04/2019 13:18

As several people have said, allowing him to audition negates the message he has already been given "You are blacklisted." He is not welcome at the group nor at any activity to do with the group. It is better to stop him turning up than risk him disrupting your auditions and, potentially, upsetting other members of the group.

If necessary say you have only just become aware that he has been blacklisted but reiterate that means a permanent ban. Have somebody forceful (ideally a committee member) at the auditions to turn him away if necessary and have them prepared to contact the police. Then just concentrate on your production. Hope all goes well.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 12/04/2019 13:19

This is madness.
I wouldn’t have replied to his texts once I realised who it was.

Inform the police again (non emergency although you sound American so I guess it works differently there?)

Your manager needs to find some balls and back you -
Step back and think about it... by letting him audition you are giving a man who is clearly not right in the head very mixed messages.
I’d stop replying and engage as little as poss

wowfudge · 12/04/2019 13:21

This is ridiculous imo and I wouldn't entertain letting this person audition. The manager owes a duty of care to the members and other auditionees. Is there security in this public building?

CalishataFolkart · 12/04/2019 13:22

The manager, who is in a higher position than we are, told us that the easiest way is to let him audition and then simply not cast him on the grounds of him being on the blacklist and he wants it done that way, even though us directors aren't wholly comfortable with that plan.

Then you and your co-Director tell the manager you are not happy and will not carry out auditions or any further work on the production unless this man is clearly banned.

MulticolourMophead · 12/04/2019 13:28

Perhaps you can arrange for the manager and directors to meet with the police to discuss this man. Present the plan (audition then tell him he's blacklisted anyway) and I think you'll find the police may not be so happy with this.

You have more potential for this man kicking off after the audition than if you manage his expectations beforehand.

GreenTulips · 12/04/2019 13:29

As several people have said, allowing him to audition negates the message he has already been given "You are blacklisted

No, this man knows he’s black listed and he’s trying to get in via the back door assuming OP and friend don’t know anything about him, hence avoiding all the other actors.

I think to keep the peace he should audition and then told via email it’s a no

BettysLeftTentacle · 12/04/2019 13:30

It's just hard because the manager thinks by blacklisting him he has done enough to keep him away

Well yes, this

UCOinanOCG · 12/04/2019 13:30

It is pointless allowing him to audition as you are never going to cast him. You need to be clear about that with him. Advise him that he can turn up for the audition if he wishes but given he is blacklisted from the group he will not be invited to join in the process and it will be a waste of his time.

Jaxinthebox · 12/04/2019 13:31

I wouldnt even let him audition, but as your manager has said you must - Id make sure he was there too.

There really isnt any point in having anything to do with this person, no matter what you say or do, you wont win and he sounds like a stalker.

BettysLeftTentacle · 12/04/2019 13:32

Whoops sorry!

Yes that should be the case because if he’s blacklisted he shouldn’t be allowed to be involved in ANY way. Letting him audition and then saying no because he’s blacklisted, is going to send him mixed messages and possibly make him even angrier.

outpinked · 12/04/2019 13:33

He sounds dangerous tbh and is banned so shouldn’t be allowed to audition. You need to block his number and ignore any other communication, you shouldn’t have informed him when the audition was.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2019 13:34

without his consent we cannot categorically exclude him from auditioning

Presumably you mean the manager's consent? If so and he's not giving it, I'm afraid I'd remind him of his duty of care and force the issue - by leaving if necessary

Does it honestly not occur to the idiot manager that allowing an audition will give the message that he's "in again" and that a refusal to cast him will just make the situation worse?

BettysLeftTentacle · 12/04/2019 13:35

Also, I really do think it’s your duty to safeguard members of the group, especially the lady that was forced into a vulnerable position by his stalking. By accommodating him you’re not doing this and enabling an abusive man to escalate his behaviour.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2019 13:40

We informed the other members of the group ... so far none of them are really worried

What about the poor lady who was stalked? Entirely relaxed about it is she? Hmm

Or maybe the "manager" just doesn't give a stuff about her - or about anyone else it may happen to, come to that

perfectstorm · 12/04/2019 13:46

A man who can't cope with rejection, and responds by stalking abusing those he sees as responsible, is being invited to attend an audition with his rejection being the only possible outcome. Is the manager actively trying to ensure that he is triggered?

I'd tell the manager he can deal with that particular audition himself, and that you and your co-director aren't willing to risk becoming his target, given the choice to allow an audition is not your own. I'd also point out that he has a duty of care towards you and all the rest of those involved, and ask what risk assessment he has done?

This is just inviting a scary situation.

I'd also suggest that you read a book called The Gift Of Fear. Women are socialised into being polite to such an extent, abusive men rely upon it. Rather as this man is now.

onefootinthegrave · 12/04/2019 13:47

This strategy of your managers is madness, and shows no regard for the poor woman he stalked. How is she going to feel if he turns up to audition when she's there?

I think you both need to go to your manager and say him being allowed to audition is not acceptable because of his past behaviour, and you have to prioritize the woman he stalked. If he refuses to change his mind then I would pull out. Sorry - but if you don't, and he turns up and things kick off how are you going to feel?

If I was his previous victim and I found out he had been allowed to turn up and audition, and I was there when he did, I would leave and not come back. And I would be letting everyone know that the AD society did nothing to protect me, because they didn't want the confrontation. It's really outrageous to even consider allowing him to audition!

perfectstorm · 12/04/2019 13:49

Honestly, if this is real then I think you need to have a think about why the manager is in the role. They can't manage, self-evidently.

Wauden · 12/04/2019 13:49

Your group has been let down by the mistake of management. So, let the manager sort it out. You said that don't want to be in same room as him and need your OH to be there to pick you up.
Management need to sort this out.

Why is a male manager not protecting women??? That is the problem.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2019 13:50

Is the manager actively trying to ensure that he is triggered?

You have to wonder don't you? Maybe he's hoping to use the scenario as the basis for a future drama production ...

Aeroflotgirl · 12/04/2019 13:57

Op I have read your posts, and I don't even know why you are giving this headspace and are unsure about him auditioning. The answer due to his volatile and aggressive behaviour is no! You have the safety of the others and yourselves to think about, he sounds very unstable.

viques · 12/04/2019 13:59

I think your wishes trump the managers wishes. You are the ones who are going to have to deal with the flack of him being allowed to audition then not offered any part in the production.

You need to send a very clear , unambiguous message now stating that since you have now learned of the blacklisting and other issues concerning him and members of the company you have decided as directors that it is inappropriate for him to have any connection to the production whatsoever and that his invitation to audition is withdrawn forthwith. I would also make it clear that no other roles within this and any further productions you direct will be made available to him.

No apologies, regrets, or best wishes for the future should be included.
Short, sharp and to the point.

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