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To believe my 5 year old, not his teacher?

135 replies

Jamhandprints · 11/04/2019 19:31

My 5 year old has ASD with challenging behaviour, usually triggered by routine change.
So today at pick up time the teacher called me over to say he had got his best friend in a head lock for no reason (typical of his behaviour) Then, whilst in time out he has pinned down another child and put a bead up his nose.
I was horrified about this and nearly burst into tears.
I collected my son from the deputy head and asked him, on the way home, to tell me what had happened.
He said he hurt his best friend and put a bead up X's nose.
I asked him to tell me how he had done it and he said:
"I...I don't remember doing it. Miss Y said I did but I just I definitely don't think I did."
I asked a few times in different ways and got the same response, including tears. "You don't have to say tell the truth mummy because I definitely am".
So I phoned the teacher and she said nobody had actually seen it happen but X had said it was my son. She will investigate more tomorrow.
Thinking about it, my son has terrible fine motor skills, so to pin someone down and put a bead up their nose would require a lot of skill.
So i just feel terrible because all the school mums already hate my son (understandably) and I was going to contact the mum and apologise but I think he probably is telling the truth.
He is slow to process speech and respond so probably didn't know what was going on when he was sent to the deputy.
Does it matter?

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tootiredtoocare · 28/04/2022 15:52

I'm going to admit something I hate here, but my DS, in school, would blame anyone and anything to avoid getting into trouble himself. He once blamed a boy known for getting into trouble at school for damaging his shoes, when it was him all along. Even though we knew what was going on, his teacher and I pushed it right to the edge of saying she would talk to the other boy's mother and he might be suspended before my son finally admitted he'd done it himself. So, if little bead boy was worried about getting into trouble for putting a bead up his own nose, then yes, absolutely, he could be fibbing, and blaming your DS because he knows he has a good chance of being believed. I think you're right, the methodology doesn't ring true, it would be extremely difficult to pin a 5 year old down and force a bead into his nose. A hill worth dying on, but calmly.

tootiredtoocare · 28/04/2022 15:54

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OnceuponaRainbow18 · 28/04/2022 15:58

Please don’t think all the school mums hate your son and that if they did this would be understandable.

I would wait and see what comes out of the teachers investigation

KeepQuietAndCarryOn · 28/04/2022 16:29

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FairyCakeWings · 28/04/2022 16:35

What does your son say about putting the other child in the headlock? Are you also going to contact that child’s Mum? Just asking, because these things are often best left to the school.

I would explain to your son that if he is often unkind to other children, it makes it harder for a teacher who didn’t see something happen to believe him over a child that mostly tells the truth and is well behaved. But that you will believe him as long as he doesn’t give you any reason not to. 5 year olds do lie, obviously one of the children is this situation isn’t being truthful, but sometimes they lie in complete honesty because they think they are telling the truth

I would also focus more on the negative behaviour that you know definitely did happen and talk about other things your son could do when he’s feeling angry or emotional.

FairyCakeWings · 28/04/2022 16:36

Oh.

I wonder how it turned out.

KeepQuietAndCarryOn · 28/04/2022 16:36

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Sally090807 · 28/04/2022 16:38

If this happened in a classroom then I’m surprised that neither a teacher or teaching assistant saw what was happening.

Lovemusic33 · 28/04/2022 16:39

Hmmmm, it’s a tough one, but I don’t understand how he would manage to put a bead up another child’s nose without the other child pushing him away? He would have had to stay mega still for your ds to pull it off? So for this reason I believe your ds is telling the truth.

I was called into school one day because dd had apparently bitten another child, dd also has ASD and hates touching anyone let alone using her mouth to injure someone (she has loads of sensory issues especially with things going near her mouth). Turned out the child was lying to try and get dd in trouble. Of course I believed my child over the teacher and the other child because I know she would never bite anyone.

whosaidth1 · 28/04/2022 16:41

Are people actually ignoring the posts saying that this is a ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!

KeepQuietAndCarryOn · 28/04/2022 16:42

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Crumbler · 28/04/2022 17:01

I might be inclined to believe a teacher over a 5 year old, but this seems to be a case of believing one kid over another. In which case you should believe your child.

Bootothegoose · 28/04/2022 17:15

You know your own kid. Sometimes your gut reaction is to believe them despite what the situation may infer.

If something is telling you he didn’t do it, most likely he didn’t do it. You sound very switched on and proactive re his behaviour. Something clearly is amiss and the fact no one can confirm his story further cements your belief.

See what the teacher says tomorrow.

Bootothegoose · 28/04/2022 17:16

oh…. I wonder who the bead fiend was…

Notonthestairs · 28/04/2022 17:17

This thread began in 2019.
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Headlock kid is now in Year 3.*

AHungryCaterpillar · 28/04/2022 17:24

Notonthestairs · 28/04/2022 17:17

This thread began in 2019.
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Headlock kid is now in Year 3.*

Yet people still seem to be ignoring the fact that this happened 3 years ago 🤣

Thinking2022 · 28/04/2022 17:27

I think this is spot on Whatsername7 · 11/04/2019 19:57
Im a teacher. I would be concerned that a child could pin another down and push a bead up his nose without being seen by a member of staff - that is a safeguarding issue. At 5, my dd rolled up a piece of paper and stuck it up her nose. Too embarrassed to tell anyone, it stayed there all day and she kept crying because of the pain. There is a chance this boy stuck the bead up his nose and just said your son did it as he was already in trouble.

If your son usually tells your truth he probably will be doing so now and there is a very real risk the children are blaming him as he is always the one in trouble. If he has ASD how is the money is allocated being spent? Is there enough for him to have his own teaching assistant to help him when he is feeling stressed? Does the class teacher have the chart showing colours so he can go to a time out corner when he is feeling overwhelmed?

leadmeaway · 28/04/2022 17:32

@Thinking2022 Glad your not my kids teacher, do you not even read? its a ZOMBIE THREAD as stated multiple times.

Daftasabroom · 28/04/2022 17:34

Hi @Jamhandprints if he is acting up in the way you describe I suspect he would have been in meltdown mode. The two ASC members of my family often completely misremember events that occur during meltdown.

KeepQuietAndCarryOn · 28/04/2022 17:38

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