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Anon. members - Forums open to court action??

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justasking111 · 10/04/2019 13:47

Was quite shocked to see this. Will this be a test case? Mumsnet is such a tame well run site compared to the comments I see in the online press. Is the writing on the wall for free (cough) speech or is it a culling of trolling. Personally I think that something needs to be done, some folk have no filter or are just plain nasty.

news.yahoo.com/transgender-activist-wins-court-ruling-forcing-parenting-website-reveal-identity-alleged-online-abuser-121317596.html

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Ereshkigal · 15/04/2019 19:56

That's trans ideology!

Lumene · 15/04/2019 19:57

To be clear I have seen no evidence a judge has said a crime has been committed and as far as I am aware nothing of the sort has happened. This is an uncontested request for a forum user’s details granted under the declared intention to pursue legal action, isn’t it?

Why are activists not going after users on sites like twitter, 4tune, etc who are genuinely full of vile comments?

LimeKiwi · 15/04/2019 19:57

Freedom of speech is our most precious, Western gift. It's taken hundreds if years and countless lives to obtain it

I hear where you're coming from (seriously, I do.) Freedom of speech is seriously important, and hope it stays that way - it's not been acceptable for years though to spread racist, homophobic or transphobic views in public, I don't think it's anything new really it's been like that for years now.
Some of the stuff I watch on telly like Rising Damp which was funny years ago you'd never get away with now

PencilsInSpace · 15/04/2019 19:59

As far as I know, the situation in the OP only involves a civil case of defamation and there has been no suggestion of criminal investigation.

This individual has previously involved the police against Graham Linehan and against a transsexual solicitor known as Boudicca10. The alleged crime in those cases was transphobic harassment. As well as civil action for defamation.

LimeKiwi · 15/04/2019 20:01

Why are activists not going after users on sites like twitter

Sure I've seen people on here say that Twitter is clamping down too, never heard of the other forum mentioned so not sure if they are there or not

PencilsInSpace · 15/04/2019 20:01

This is an uncontested request for a forum user’s details granted under the declared intention to pursue legal action, isn’t it?

Yes.

SmileEachDay · 15/04/2019 20:02

Why are activists not going after users on sites like twitter

They are. Many, many gender critical feminists have been suspended on Twitter,

GirlDownUnder · 15/04/2019 20:03

Twitter is clamping down to

Yes - if you are an AHF, and most assuredly if you are a GC Adult, Human, Female.

Lumene · 15/04/2019 20:04

Thanks Pencils that’s what I thought. Some of the posts at the start of this thread are hugely misleading about the facts of what has occurred.

Lumene · 15/04/2019 20:06

True Smile

I was thinking of the actual unpleasant genuinely transphobic comments by mostly men on twitter, rather than activists who simply disagree.

But you are right of course, they are actively and successfully working on censoring/compelling free speech on twitter.

GirlDownUnder · 15/04/2019 20:06

Some of the posts at the start of this thread are hugely misleading about the facts of what has occurred.

I'd say some of the posts on this thread are hugely misleading about facts Grin

Lumene · 15/04/2019 20:07
Grin
RedDogsBeg · 15/04/2019 20:10

it's not been acceptable for years though to spread racist, homophobic or transphobic views in public,

Transphobic views, something else you can't or won't define LimeKiwi.

Lumene · 15/04/2019 20:10

it's not been acceptable for years though to spread racist, homophobic or transphobic views in public

Sadly though misogyny still seems fine, almost acceptable in many circles and particularly (though in poor disguise) amongst the woke. Standing up for women’s rights is not ‘transphobia’ but many are attempting to brand it as though it was. Not working so well anymore though.

Ereshkigal · 15/04/2019 20:10

Yes under the DPA/GDPR there is an exemption for processing personal data without consent if it is for legal purposes. Arguably though there needs to be some consideration of what purpose it will ultimately be used for.

TalkinPaece · 15/04/2019 20:15

LImekiwi
Its it Transphobic to point out that a stubbly bloke with fully functioning external genitalia is man
just because they have a piece of paper that says they think they are not

PencilsInSpace · 15/04/2019 20:17

I found this earlier today while looking for something completely unrelated.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-leans-tossing-richard-simmons-sex-change-libel-lawsuit-national-enquirer-1033833

In 2016 the National Enquirer published a front cover story claiming that Richard Simmons was trans, that he had had a 'boob job and castration surgery' and was now living as a woman called Fiona. None of this was true.

Simmons sued the National Enquirer for defamation and lost because the judge ruled it was not defamatory to say someone was trans.

It's only tangentially related to this case because it's US law and relates to a person's trans status rather than info about things they may have done under a past name that might damage their reputation.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/04/2019 20:32

Funny how anti marriage people call a marriage certificate ‘just a piece of paper’.

Lumene · 15/04/2019 21:13

A marriage certificate states a legal fact, a GRC states a legal fiction.

Being able to state a material biological fact without fear of censorship or police involvement is a basic democratic freedom, especially when doing so directly relates to your own sex based rights.

TalkinPaece · 15/04/2019 21:35

A Marriage Certificate changes who you are from this day forward.
It does not purport to alter who you were before that date.

sackrifice · 15/04/2019 22:27

We all know that there's only one answer anyone will ever be happy with. Which is woman = biology only.

Let try a different angle:
What else, other than biology, can be added to the list of things that make you a woman or man?

Cutlery, clothes, trees, food, shoes, sideboards, fire escapes, make-up, pets, doorknobs? Any of these? None of these? What is it, other than biology? Chemistry? Physics? English? French? Geography? What?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 15/04/2019 22:29

If saying gay men have sex with other men isn't homophobic then saying transwomen are men isn't transphobic. Facts can never be "phobic".

Smotheroffive · 15/04/2019 22:38

The actual definition stands, it is what it is. It is scientific fact. So no, trying to propose 'alternative definitions' isn't a thing.

You cannot change/jump the sex ship.

LimeKiwi · 15/04/2019 23:52

gay men have sex with other men isn't homophobic

Well of course it isn't Confused
If anyone said gay men have sex with other men that isn't a homophobic statement.
Not sure what you're getting at there.

LimeKiwi · 15/04/2019 23:58

Facts can never be "phobic"

Actually, on a re-read and especially this bit - I see where you're coming from with your comment.
As I said earlier on in the thread, it all comes down to whether you accept transwomen or not (even those who have had some surgery don't seem to be immune if it's a self ID thing that keeps being professed)