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To rip up SATS results without looking at them

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Mangetoutrodney · 08/04/2019 19:17

School have said that DD might not pass her SATS as she is below the expected level. She’s not that confident anyway & I don’t think knowing that she had ‘failed’ them would help her.
Aibu to not even look at the results - to rip them up without looking at them so none of us know them. I kind of feel like I want to protect her & build up her confidence in other ways.
Apparently secondary school re test anyway so do i need to know them?

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Shortandsweet96 · 08/04/2019 19:21

Read them.

You cant protect your DD from failure.
How will she ever learn?

Not passing might be a motivation for her to try extra hard for the re-sit and her GSCE's.

She wont be the only one who didnt pass... if she didnt!

elessar · 08/04/2019 19:22

I think that is a terrible idea. You can't protect her from poor results.

What if she has the same issue at secondary? For her GCSEs? A Levels?

Hiding results from her won't help her at all.

What you need to do is focus on how you can support her and help her deal with this and focus your energy on ensuring she has the tools and support to succeed in the future.

Flyingpie · 08/04/2019 19:22

You don't need to know them. School will pass them on to secondary school though. They will do their own testing as well, SATs are not the most useful indicator of what a child can do.
You could pull her out of school that week. Not necessarily advising it. But it's an option.

PurpleDaisies · 08/04/2019 19:23

If she’s sitting them, you should look at the results.

Don’t think of them as pass or fail. They’ll tell you (and her) where she is

Gizlotsmum · 08/04/2019 19:23

Won't everyone be talking about them? So she will be expecting them? Do they not get sent to the school? Maybe use it as a lesson in how to handle 'failure' and use it as motivation

SolitudeAtAltitude · 08/04/2019 19:23

Read them but don't rip them up

That is too big a response

I told my DS who "failed" them that really they test the school, not the child. (Which is true)

He is doing much better in Secondary now, so it really did not mean much

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Mangetoutrodney · 08/04/2019 19:25

@flyingpie I will send her in.

Everyone tells me though that SATS aren’t about the kids- they are to measure the school- so if that’s the case, why should I tell her?

Obviously GCSEs etc are different but if SATS are just about school performance, why should i tell her?

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supermum85 · 08/04/2019 19:25

your childs target gcse grades are generated from her ks2 sats. she will made awre of her targets at secondary.
im a secondary maths teacher, i think you need to be very aware of her gaps its likely she will need intervention to support her in ks3 if she is exceptionally weak

what do you mean by wont pass? sats scores are a number from 80 to 120.

ineedaholidaynow · 08/04/2019 19:25

The results don't use the word fail, so your DD doesn't need to know she 'failed'

Darkbaptism · 08/04/2019 19:26

Your DD will have spent a lot of time working for her results, even if she ‘fails’ she should be proud of what she has achieved. Also if the school reports are formatted like the ones at my DDs secondary school the results will be on there for the whole of KS3!

mummmy2017 · 08/04/2019 19:28

Find some old results, then you can show her she got a better score, so you can tell her she is getting better

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Mangetoutrodney · 08/04/2019 19:28

They did ‘mock’ SATS a few weeks ago and the teacher told her she hadn’t met the pass mark

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AJPTaylor · 08/04/2019 19:28

Dd3 has always been below expected levels throughout primary. We have focused on effort and progress.
She is now in year 6 and tracking just below expected. At various points I would have given my right arm for her to be within touching distance. At the start of year 4 She was at year 2 levels.
We have spoken with her about sats and what they are.if she doesn't hit level 4 She will not have failed.

HarrietSchulenberg · 08/04/2019 19:29

Ds3 didn't achieve the required grades in Maths and English Grammar. Just made it through in Reading. His brothers flew through a few years before.
Secondary school used the results for initial (very rough) setting in English and Maths and everything else is taught in tutor groups or other mixed ability. English and Maths did resetting tests at Christmas and he moved up to middle sets from the bottom.
It really doesn't matter much in the long term so shouldn't be treated as a drama.

Thadeus · 08/04/2019 19:31

Our school told the children their results and they told us.

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Mangetoutrodney · 08/04/2019 19:33

@thadeus they don’t do that at our school. Parents pick the results up & choose if to tell the kids. However the school have told her she ‘failed’ her mock SATS

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RubberTreePlant · 08/04/2019 19:33

Why not?

They were supposed to be a test of the school, not the pupil. The whole SATs thing is out of control.

mummmy2017 · 08/04/2019 19:34

Tell your DD this ...
Your teacher only has a small amount of time each day for each lesson, and the one you find harder to do, may not be something she is good at teaching.
When you move up to your new school, your class and teachers will be right how for you learn, which means you will improve much fast than you are now, so the grades you get right now are not a real indication of how much you know.

I am saying this because my child gained 2 grades in Maths in 3 months.

Tinyteatime · 08/04/2019 19:35

You can withdraw them from SATS. Most teachers I know say they wish more parents would. They aren’t if any benefit to individual children. How old is she?

Tinyteatime · 08/04/2019 19:36

*of

MsJudgemental · 08/04/2019 19:36

What supermum says. Although DD will know that 100 is a pass.

What a lot of parents don't realise is that poor attainment in maths at KS2 can result in being stuck in bottom sets for maths, which means only studying foundation maths, which means their future options are severly limited as they will not be able to do anything in science, computing or technology post-16.

This may seem like a long way off, but it really isn't. I would advise you to see if you can get a specialist tutor asap. Yes, the SATs are partly about assessing the school's performance, but if your child does poorly in May they are not likely to somehow magically 'get it' in September.

alwaysreadthelabel · 08/04/2019 19:36

Think of it this way. Her school bow have an incentive to get her to pass as it's their results that it counts towards. Her secondary school will love her as if she is a late developer her progress 8 score will be brilliant for them. SATS should be banned, the pressure is unbelievable, but I don't know what could replace them.

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Mangetoutrodney · 08/04/2019 19:37

@tiny she’s 11 and it’s all affecting her self esteem a LOT. I’m pretty sick of it all to be honest- I’d homeschool if I could. I find some elements of the current education system toxic and crap

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ineedaholidaynow · 08/04/2019 19:37

That was wrong of the teacher OP. How far off is she? I assume her school will be doing all that they can to get her up to speed if she is marginally off at the moment.

ineedaholidaynow · 08/04/2019 19:39

Don't think you can withdraw from SATS.

From the school perspective if your DD didn't sit them she would be shown as a fail anyway

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