AIBU to be feeling politically homeless

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If we had a general election now, I’d be stuck.

I normally vote labour, even last time.

I voted leave, would do again.

Any1 else in my situation? I honestly couldn’t vote labour right now, and I have never voted tory. Unless they dramatically changed as a party I don’t think I ever could

Dear Remainders, 'mon up to Scotland and vote SNP.

Ryming

I would, but its cold

I am a lifelong Labour supporter and remainder. I have no idea who I could vote for, in part because of the support for the genger recognition act.

For the first time in my life I feel that PR would be a good idea. Potentially there could be more chance to get a wider range of views represented.

But as things stand I may have to spoil my ballot.

It’s nice to see we can all agree on something lol

But, as a leave voter I feel well and truly shafted. Tories won (sort of) the last general election with a manifesto saying they respect and will implement the referendum. Labour pretty much said the same, they all voted through article 50, yet 75% of MPs are remainers. My own labour MP did back TM deal, so you’ll probably guess where I’m from as there were so few, but so many labour seats voted leave and the MPs aren’t representing that. It’s an absolute nightmare.

For the couple of people asking if I want brexit surly I’d vote Tory? God no. They haven’t done much better with brexit. Definitely not enough for me to forget the austerity and cuts.

I’ve looked more into the Green Party, that’s another no.

It’s looking like I’ll have to spoil my ballot if we have a GE anything soon

I would vote Labour if there were a GE tomorrow. I would never vote for Jeremy Corbyn, but I'd vote for my local MP in a heartbeat. She's fab, and has been right on the money over Brexit from the start.

Me too. I have never felt so apathetic. I voted remain and Labour in the last GE. I loved a lot of what Corbyn stood for initially. Loved the idea of a universal basic income; it could bring so much more freedom for everyone. Cutting welfare is a false economy, degrading people until they are broken is never going to generate income; that can be applied to welfare, NHS, education, social care. The government keeping digging and digging us all further into a big hole.

Labour seem to have given up standing for anything and are just dominated by bizarre infighting and Brexit. The Brexit debacle is the icing on the cake. It's going to take decades to get out of this hole, whatever happens.

Remainer and lifelong labour voter. No idea who i’d vote for. My view is the moment the Conservatives decided to adopt Brexit as Tory policy from an advisory referendum, it should have been Labours job to oppose it completely as they are the official opposition party.

Tbh the whole debacle is a sideshow to the most important issue in the country which is the housing crisis, which is causing more misery and inequality and is going to be significantly more damaging to the country in the future. I would vote for anyone who would build more affordable housing and introduce tenants rights. But I don’t even trust Labour to do that and everyone is too busy being distracted by populist and click bait and win/loose leave/remain football team style identity politics to care.

I will do a protest vote i think

Oh FFS, that attitude is how we got into this Brexit mess. ARRGGGH.

Playing devils advocate, there's a point of view we get the politicians we deserve ...

I think lots of people on both sides feel the same. I voted leave and voted conservative in the last election only to ensure leave.
i very much regret voting conservative, they disgust me. Their recent behaviour over Brexit has been disgusting, I deplore the way they treat the vulnerable in society and the fuck up that is universal credit designed to screw those that can't fight back and have nothing.
There is no way I'd vote libdem and the Labour party have done nothing to impress me at all.
I think if there was an election right now I'd not be voting for the first time in my life because there is absolutely nobody to vote for.

Those of you who voted leave and now say you wouldn’t vote Labour or Conservative, why not? What is happening that you didn’t expect? How did you think it would be different?

I really don't understand some people's choice-making process tbh. People saying they voted Tory but won't again because of their treatment of the poor!? Wtf did they expect?

And they will never vote lib Dems just, because...

And they won't vote greens/ liberal/ lab because of the trans issue but will vote one of the other parties with the exact same policy.

One of the Tiggers is my local mp. I'm furious labour haven't offered a hope to remainers and will vote for her if she stands.

DailyMailSucksWails I thought we’d actually leave the EU, you know, as us leave voters won the referendum & that is what we voted for 🤔

I feel the same way you do, OP. Making it worse, I live in Scotland and loathe the SNP, along with the Greens who prop up the minority government. I have always voted Labour, although a little reluctantly in 2017. I will never, ever vote Tory; in no way, shape or form do they represent me and what I believe in. I still can't forgive the Lib Dems for the coalition and I am strongly against Brexit. I feel lost now, I have no political home and I hate it.

I am hoping for a tigger in my area. Its a current labour safe seat and I have happily voted for the labour MP before but her recent voting record on the brexit motions has now gone against my views so I no longer feel able to vote for her.

Couldn't and wouldn't vote Tory. I'm really surprised anyone did in the last election. Their promises were all cuts, cuts, cuts with a bit of UC thrown in and now everyone seems surprised now that the effects of those promises are starting to show.

I could vote Lib Dem. But really I'm hoping for a TIG candidate and let's have done change.

Incidentally, who thinks we should change the voting system?

Re: the lib dems in coalition - I actually think they were successful. They certainly moderated the tories for that time. Its just the student fees thing that they cocked up but I do feel the party has learned from that after their crushing defeat and there are now a lot of different faces around since the coalition days.

It’s got to be Lib Dems I guess. Time to move past the uni fees thing I think.

I've been able to vote for over 20 years and it has always been a choice of the lesser of several evils. I've never felt that I completely agree with any party. I always vote though.

Yes. I normally vote Tory but I’m not impressed with them.
I would vote Labour because our MP is excellent but couldn’t because well Corbyn. His policies on the economy/ tax etc would really hurt my family.
We are a Tory/ Labour swing seat so all other votes are a waste really but I would probably go Libdem or Change atm.
Labour need to wake up, bin Corbyn andcstop alienating the middle classes.
There is such a gap for a centrist party- ideally anti Brexit!
Funnily I was having this conversation the other day with friends who normally vote Labour. We agree on more than we disagree and both feel the need for a more centrist party.

Good morning,

to all who were Labour and left, or are dithering towards Labour, I wish to say that Lab is a member-led party: you can change it from within!

It can be done.

Some of us were unhappy with the Party's stance regarding Brexit and we have united, lobbied and campaigned to move it forward.

I spoke at Party conference and was part of the group that, with Keir Starmer, implemented the new Labour policy and lobbied for the party's support of putting the deal to the people.

If you aren't happy about Jezza's leadership, as a Party member you have a vote on the leader. The leader if the Labour Party, differently from the Con party, is chosen by us. The membership.

You don't like Momentum? Go to a Momentum meeting. See if for yourself what Momentum IS without having a pre-conceived notion what Momentum may be based on the press.

I do not agree with everything in the Party. I wish we had a woman leader and wish the stance against Brexit, now that it has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Brexit is going to be a disaster for the Uk, was stronger. I wish there was even more democracy in the party against an old guard that stops change according to 'the rules' but never tells you what 'the rules' are (party bureaucracy is terrible!!). But the principles of justice and equality of the Labour Party will always resonate with me and if the party takes a line I don't agree on I will always attempt to change it from within.

Let's be active in politics instead of passive actors. We are politics. We are the parties.

To all who were Labour Party members or consider Labour but aren't fully happy I'd say this:

Please don't give up on the party that historically was created by the people for the people, that supported women's rights, families' struggles, and helped the oppressed, the party that is against austerity and for social justice and, the party which, in the broadest possible way, wishes to make the world a better place.

I'm the same at the moment.

I voted remain and would do the same no matter what because of the terrible damage leaving will do so ultimately I will end up voting for a party who is anti-Brexit. It doesn't mean I like all their other policies however, it's just that stopping Brexit is the most important at the present time for me.

That said, I live in a Tory stronghold so nothing will change. Afaik there is not a single member of any other party in any kind of position here until you get as lowly as parish council level. There may have been one Labour councillor on the town council once.

My MP is a fucking useless, spineless wet weekend with a terrible voting record. He never disobeys the party line and subsequently has a horrific record. Wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, let alone vote for him.

Ultimately will probably vote Lib Dem but I'm not overly thrilled about it. Would previously have voted Labour but not with JC in charge and not until they are anti-Brexit.

Broadcasting house Voice right now, trotting out the line "We can't not deliver Brexit b/c that would be a complete political Betrayal." which follows on the argument "People voted in 2016 that never before regularly voted."

But this thread is at least 50% Leavers who feel totally disengaged already. That ship has sailed.

DailyMailSucksWails I thought we’d actually leave the EU, you know, as us leave voters won the referendum & that is what we voted for

But as you are now discovering not only was the pre-referendum advice that it wasn't that easy proved correct. There are also several international dimensions (the UKs obligations under the Good Friday Agreement, for one) which tie the UKs hands.

For some people the Brexit they wanted, the GFA needed to be amended or the UK withdrawn from it before we started. And that's before we consider that "UK" means "United Kingdom" made of four separate countries that any patriotic Leaver would be keen to ensure are all treated equitably in the process. Otherwise they aren't British patriots, just common or garden English Nationalists.

I'd say spoil the ballot. It's a genuine form of protest and the number of spoiled papers gave to be announced in the result.

Voted leave. Why couldn't we vote Tory now? Because they seem to be giving us a choice between staying in the EU but with no influence (wa) or staying in the EU as before. Neither of those is 'leaving'. MPs of all parties seem to have a majority that are determined to remain so can't vote for any of them.