AIBU to be feeling politically homeless

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If we had a general election now, I’d be stuck.

I normally vote labour, even last time.

I voted leave, would do again.

Any1 else in my situation? I honestly couldn’t vote labour right now, and I have never voted tory. Unless they dramatically changed as a party I don’t think I ever could

I think if a general election was called now the result would be a coalition (not sure what parties would form it though). I don't think there's a chance of Tories or Labour winning a majority.

I voted leave in the EU referendum and I feel that, in the event of a general election, I would have to vote for The Brexit party. If everyone who voted leave voted for them then I believe they could form a majority government and give leave voters what they voted for.

Newport is really interesting. Makes me wonder if the good people there would still vote leave in another referendum.

Well they're happy to leave it to others (lower turnout), and prefer a Labour remainer over a UKIP or Tory Brexiteer.

Seems they've made their choice ...

I nearly cried when a Labour Party member came and canvased me the other day. I told her I used to be in the Labour Party and quit over Ken Livingstone not being dealt with properly, and that since he has left the party has got even worse. I hate JC, I hate Momentum.

I have no place in the UK political system, after 20 years of voting Labour.

True but I bet the turn out there wouldn’t be low in another referendum. They’d all be bleating about how undemocratic it was too.

Yeah, I have no party to vote for really. I might vote for my local Labour MP because she works hard and does a decent job. But I would hate the Labour Party as a whole to feel vindicated or supported by people doing that, so I would have to think carefully.

I feel exactly the same as you OP

I voted leave and would again
I'm very disappointed with the whole lot of them and wouldn't know who to vote for next I was tory

A plague on all their houses!

In the 2017 snap election, we had three candidates to choose from. The sitting Conservative who couldn't answer a straight question (I tried, multiple times); the private school and Oxbridge man-of-the-people Labour candidate who is on record as saying "Stalin was a diamond geezer"; and Helen Belcher, who doesn't even live in the constituency and who made it clear in the campaign literature that trans rights were the real priority. I had to hold my nose and vote Conservative. Not sure that holding my nose will work this time though.

Maybe it's because you're refusing to consider parties based on decisions they made several elections ago most likely by people no longer involved in the party...

I suggest voting on policies and performance in the past 4 years.

I suggest voting on policies and performance in the past 4 years

When you put it like that - they really are all that shit !

@Aomame83
I think a lot of politicians from all parties are elitists and rich and don't have a clue about how the majority of the population live.

I think the National Minimum Wage has advantages and disadvantages. The advantages for those who were earning less than that are obvious but unscrupulous employers who paid far more than that have reduced the pay to the NMW when recruiting for roles that became vacant. So employers have used it to increase their profits and undervalue staff which has led to lower morale in the workplace.

Sounds like a lot of us are torn. We should not have to vote for a politician based on their views, they should represent the majority views of the constituents who elect them.

I think if a general election was called now, the turn out would be one of the lowest ever, and there woudl be a lot of spoiled ballots.

I would spoil my ballot.

Labour all my life but now? No. Corbyn is incompetent and seems frankly a bit dim. Hate their stand re trans issues.

Could never vote Tory. Safe Tory seat.

Lib Dem- who? With their one decent person leaving, they will die a death.

Greens - yes to Caroline but not at all sure about the quality of anyone else they might field as a candidate and their gender stance sucks.

TIG would get my vote by default therefore. Or I spoil the paper. It's appalling.

Totally disenfranchised.

@PlainSpeakingStraightTalking I agree with you. Its ridiculous to suggest that all Tory politicians were born into privilege. Michael Gove, adopted son of a Scottish fishmonger. Nadine Dorries, the daughter of a bus driver, etc. etc.

I'm a leaver. I live in a Labour stronghold where the vote was to leave, but the MP is a remainer. I've voted Labour a couple of times, but wouldn't touch JC with anyone's bargepole. I'm naturally middle of the roadish, with Lib Dems probably the nearest, but Nick Clegg sort of scuppered them. I'm also aware that a vote for anything but Labour here is wasted.

I know exactly what you mean. Our local MP is a fully whipped Tory with a small majority but I can't vote Labour as I don't like Corbyn and their policies on women.

So glad I'm in Scotland with the SNP.

I always like Nicola Sturgeon when she's on Question Time but I live in England.

I was intrigued to receive a leaflet from our MP detailing a tour she took of our ward which seemed almost at pains to point out that for local folk, Brexit wasn't an issue * Our local MP sent a leaflet round reminding us that he's available for non-Brexit issues. Considering he votes as the party whips tell him to, he can't be using that much effort on Brexit.

What if Nigel set up a new party? Ah well, maybe not!

My dear darling dad once wrote you must be fucking kidding across his ballot paper for parish council elections. I think I may adopt this policy until further notice.

That aside, I do think it’s so important to vote regardless of whether you spoil your ballot paper or not.

It’s also interesting to see remainders and leavers agreeing on something for once. Interesting times ahead

I wish I lived in Paisley, I'd vote for Mhairi Black all day long.

I'm in the same boat as the OP. I will always vote, though more and more for the person I dislike the least.

Never voted Tory in my life, having Jewish ancestry means I cannot support the anti-semitic appeasers in the Labour Party, and the Lib Dems seem irrelevant. The best argument against Scottish independence for me is the SNP. So it might be the 'Tiggers' depending on what they stand for.

There are a few individual politicians I have some time for, but none are standing in my constituency.

Tory voter who voted leave. I feel the same.

I am appalled and ashamed of Theresa May and the majority of Conservative MPs at the moment for their capitulation on Brexit. She is the worst tory PM in history.

But my local MP is one of the few who have acted with integrity in this whole debacle and has voted to honour the 2016 referendum result, so I will vote for him in the next GE.

How TM isn't long gone astonishes me.

To those people who live in Labour 'safe seats' I don't think there is any such thing as a safe seat any more and labour will get absolutely decimated in the next election.

Tory safe seat here. Couldn’t vote for our odious, smug current MP who betrayed our local area on a completely Brexit-unrelated issue, which still didn’t affect his vote share in 2017. It’s a leave voting area yet even if he was an ardent remainer (which he isn’t) he would still be voted back in.

On a national scale I do feel politically homeless, and as a life long labour voter am dismayed at the actions of JC and momentum. However on a local level I’m still more than happy to vote labour as our local party has remained un-infiltrated and still reflects my values. If labour had any chance of winning in the area, however, I’d maybe have to reassess.

If there was an election and any party featured electoral reform in their manifesto they would be guaranteed my vote. I am fed up of not having my voice heard. If we had proportional representation and proper coalition politics we wouldn’t currently be dealing with the brexit fuckwittery that we are as it would be less about party politics and more about the good of the country.

Same here very very much a remain voter.

I am in a key marginal, last time I think there was about 100 votes in it.

If there was a snap election tomorrow I would vote for our current labour chap because I like him and the Tory they have shipped in seems like a cock.

But my local MP is one of the few who have acted with integrity in this whole debacle and has voted to honour the 2016 referendum result, so I will vote for him in the next GE.

Not being goady, but interested (in your view) which way on the WA reflected honouring the referendum result? I’ve heard conflicting things from leave voting friends - some see voting for the WA as honouring the ref through getting brexit sorted, some see it as EU membership-lite and not reflecting the outcome of the vote. I can’t comment myself as I am still a staunch remainder, but can definitely appreciate both perspectives.

Sorry to go off topic there, it’s just something I find very interesting - and of course reflective of the mess that is trying to come up with a satisfactory outcome!