6 million and still rising . . . Time to revoke?

[longwayoff]

O please lets do that. Revoke, rethink and re- refer.

I doubt the authenticity of the Leave vote which gained its dubious majority by falsehoods and dirty money. So I decline to accept it's validity.

Yup.

Ah, Op, so you’re not a normal mn member.

And we should respect the result of it otherwise what does democracy mean?

Democracy means our elected representatives recognising their responsibility to act in the best interests of the electorate and revoke article 50.

This could be with a view to running another referendum at a later date in which there would be two options; a deal that has already been negotiated to leave and the status quo.

To plough on with Brexit regardless, bearing in mind the basis of the referendum and the closeness of the result, would have very little to do with democracy.

Thick, stop spreading dirty propaganda, I've been on MN for donks as other posters will verify. So take your nasty Brexitmongering slanderous allegations and stick them where they belong.

Democracy means our elected representatives recognising their responsibility to act in the best interests of the electorate and revoke article 50

Why, exactly, would going against the majority vote - that the government, itself, brought about - be in anyway "democracy"? Please explain

Because the referendum was fixed. What part of that don't you undestand?

Op - are you an active mn member? What else have you posted on?
ThroughThick why don't you check OP's posting history, instead of all the baiting? What's your problem?

We should have left already. We should now leave on April 12th. Until petition exceeds 17.4 million it is meaningless.

Oh yes so you have. Apologies. I’m not Brexitmongering whatever that might mean. Just puzzled how this petition is given the pedestal it’s given. It’s farcical the weight you are trying to give it.

Why, exactly, would going against the majority vote - that the government, itself, brought about - be in anyway "democracy"?

The information available to voters was largely based on lies and a very tiny minority of voters could have anticipated that they were voting for the situation the country finds itself in now.

Democracy is about elected representatives acting responsibly (yes I know how ironic that is given who is in Downing Street at the moment).

Democracy is not achieved by pouring dirty money into a dodgy vote to buy a majority. If any of you wish to call that democracy by all means do so. But don't expect others to agree. We call it something quite different.

It wasn’t a democratic vote. If it were a general election vote it would have to be re-run because of election fraud.

It is similarly democratic to the elections that used to take place under Mugabe in Zimbabwe I.e- not at all.

So, yes. I do think we should have a vote in the deal that includes a revoke option.

Cause I prefer to withdraw my naked arse before someone fucks it entirely.

Because the referendum was fixed. What part of that don't you undestand?

Of course it was, the Tories wanting this scenario so had the PM and the majority of thier cabinet promote remain, the fact that over 50% labour strongholds voted leave was a deep state conspiracy.

Asking for revoke based on an online petition is highlighting how social media has ruined political discourse, to think slactavism should dictate politics is slippery slope (ignoring the fact bots can vote and 4chan are on board with actively spamming this petition).

Reducing politics to effective facebook likes is the theme of stupid films like Idiocracy

Do you not read the news @Just? Try this

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/vote-leave-fined-and-referred-to-the-police-for-breaking-electoral-law

Perhaps all those Leavers telling us about democracy could get over to the thread asking what democracy means to them, to contribute their thoughts. So far it's mostly remainers contributing.

Because the referendum was fixed. What part of that don't you undestand?

The referendum was fixed?? By who? What was the point of the referendum? Why would parliament ignore the result of a referendum, they paid billions to create, and then revoke A50 on the basis of a corrupt online petition?

Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds??

Do you not read the news @Just? Try this

I do, it's not me trying to play this as a simple black and white situation, my childish comments still stands.

The leave campaign broke election law is a meme at this point, see the following

www.ft.com/content/2f91721d-9512-3c2a-9e0f-4453897183c8

Might be best for you not to gather your opinions from facebook or twitter. The fact remeain was Tory led should highlight your naivety without bringing up that poor argument.

No.

I voted remain. I added to the petition but it is a very small amount of people given how many voted and the number of people in the UK. It needs to be far higher.

QueenOfIce

No, it's still short of 11 plus million to even out those who voted leave. Won't happen.

Ti even out those who voted leave? Erm, you seem to have forgotten the 16 plus million who voted remain. This petition only needed 100,000 signatures. It has obtained over 6 million!

That link was from the Electoral Commission but you couldn't even be arsed to open it. It must be awful to have such a closed mind.

That FT article is behind a paywall.

Just

You are arguing against yourself. The Leave campaign used illegally mined Facebook data to target voters and cheat the system in what they thought was an undetectable way- social media.

While the petition isn’t a vote it is certainly a gauge of feeling- just as the original ref vote was. Discount one and you discount the other.

Why are people still going on about the petition? I thought the government had already provided a response (even if you don't agree with it.)

While the petition isn’t a vote it is certainly a gauge of feeling- just as the original ref vote was. Discount one and you discount the other.

I agree. Also, if over half the electorate wants to push on with Brexit at all costs, why aren't millions of them signing a petition to say so since the debate on the revoke petition was announced?

Even though I would like to revoke and have signed the petition, it is pretty meaningless unless it exceeds the original number of remain voted at the referendum.

6 million remainers asking to remain again does not really mean anything.

if over half the electorate wants to push on with Brexit at all costs, why aren't millions of them signing a petition to say so since the debate on the revoke petition was announced?

Probably because an online petition means diddly squat. Plus No Deal is the default position. Therefore Leavers have nothing to bump their gums about. Bad Luck!