To invite all Mumsnetters to the Brexit Rally in Parliament Square tomorrow afternoon/evening?

[SunnyInGrimsby]

OK, it's doubtful Brexit is going to happen any time soon but definitely worth coming along and standing up for what we voted for.

Very little coverage in the media - unfortunately no full page spreads in the Standard for us....

It will be going on until early evening so still worth turning up if you can't get the day off work. Lots of great speakers including Julia Hartley Brewer, Claire Fox, Kate Hoey et al.

I voted leave. I’m not a traitor . Not a racist . Not uneducated. Not bitter or rude towards people who have different opinions than me. I am a good person and I refuse to believe otherwise based on my vote in a referendum

Excellent post green i feel exactly the same

releasethebats sorry to be a pedant but you have not set your opinion about clearly. You said this:

Yes. I don't do it myself but I believe its okay for people to use that word (traitors) if they think it applies.

and now you have said this:

Calling leave or remain voters traitors - not okay, divisive, etc etc

They are mutually exclusive positions.

You are now claiming that you just meant it is OK to call politicians traitors. It is actually far worse to call public figures just doing their job a traitor - especially as it is the thin end of the wedge that leads to death threats and the actual murder of Jo Cox. The dog whistle name calling of politicians has lead to an atmosphere where our elected representatives need police protection. It is not OK

Can I ask those posting on here who voted to leave how they would feel if the UK ending up remaining because no way forward can be agreed?

I don't know many leavers but a very good friend of mine who did vote that way, who is also a very long way from being stupid, racist or uninformed, has gone in recent weeks from being convinced of his vote and even willing to see No Deal to being so utterly sick of the whole thing he doesn't care any more if we stay or go. I don't know how typical he is.

I’d rather bathe in cold baked beans.
Good luck w your turnout of 3!

Langrish ah I see. It must have passed me by. Odd when I'm glued to several news channels a day. A whole 3,000 you say? Wow. There's passion and commitment for you

When you accuse those of us with moderate views who number over half the country...

I'd just like to correct this statement @SunnyinGrimsby.

Only 37% of the population voted to leave the EU. A long way off half.

It was 37% of the voting population and about 26% of the population as a whole.

BIWI it was way less than 37% of the population - it was 37% of the electorate.

Things I'd rather do.

How people voted or not:

BerciesSilkTie.

Passed you by? Well, with such a turnout I suspect you’re not the only one! Quite why the peaceful protesters on the green, who have shown their commitment for months on end, are being moved off today I don’t understand. What do the police fear, with the arrival of a few dozen, probably quite knackered, mostly third age protestors? Even granted that they will no doubt be bolstered by a good few thousand in London this time because the timing’s far more apposite now. Could it be that they expect trouble from the right wing fruitcakes that usually follow not far behind? I’d be extremely pissed off with them if I were a leave voter so committed that I’d marched all that way. The nuts awaiting them will undo all of that effort in one fell swoop.

Sorry, Bercow, not Bercie ( don’t know who he is.

And Farage is absolutely complicit, calling for leavers to “fight back”.
Fight against what, ffs, they won. Why are they still so bloody angry.

@greennikki why did you vote to leave?

@derxa it’s not snobbery, it’s what I’ve noticed. I can’t help that from the people I know and have seen, that’s my impression. I did say it was anecdotal. Obviously not every single person will fit that mould but on the whole, that’s the general theme.

Won't be there.

Hope it fizzles out. I don't wish to respect the views of people who wish to limit mine and my daughters life chances due to their ignorance of how the world actually works and their quality of being so easily led by people who will shaft them.

@Isitmybathtimeyet how would I feel if we remained hmmm I would be upset and fed up. Would I riot or go mad no the most will be me muttering under my breath I'm not an expressive person I'm not an aggressive person. I wouldn't vote Labour or conservative ever again and my trust in politicians is even lower than it has ever been.
I am passionate about it I do firmly believe it would be the best option still my opinion won't change.

But can I ask a question.
On the referendum paper in 2016 it said leave or remain.
It did not say leave if we have a good deal.
So why do people say the leavers didn't know what it was they voted for based on the question.
I agree it's been boring to watch I agree the EU have been pretty open and said this is the deal that's all we are willing to give. Yet the politicians are still saying they can get more they can't .
So yes the choices are:
Leave with the deal
Leave with no deal
Revoke and remain.

It is down to the mps now the people we put in charge. The so called indicative votes have not actually come up with any solutions just wasted time.
I don't believe the voters for remain or leave are the problem but the politicians who have decided to ignore their constituents the people who keep them in power.
Can we please try and be respectful of each other.

kko

I like your posts as well

@Greensleeves spare a thought for me. She is my local MP. I weep most nights.

It did not say leave if we have a good deal.

So why do people say the leavers didn't know what it was they voted for based on the question.

Well I think the assumption is that people wouldn't vote to sink the economy, make it difficult to trade, eat, travel, get life-saving drugs and materials and plunge the country into a massive depression for decades. Maybe people did but that does sort of support the 'leave voters are stupid' rhetoric. Which I agree is unhelpful.

So did you vote to leave even with no deal, effectively choosing an economic model so dreadful that no countries do it?

The so called indicative votes have not actually come up with any solutions just wasted time

No - they have shown the direction that the House would prefer and refined choices will be presented on Monday to see if there is a majority in the House.

I am passionate about it I do firmly believe it would be the best option still my opinion won't change.

Why do you firmly believe it’s the best option?

@Kko Thanks for your response. In answer to your question, I think my own answer would be that those who voted to leave did not all vote for the same 'Leave'. The main campaigns for Leave described a variety of scenarios but they pretty much described a 'soft' Brexit where the UK stayed in the Single Market or Customs Union. Obviously that wasn't what some leavers wanted but others didn't vote for any sort of 'hard' Brexit.
Also, and this isn't to call Leave voters stupid, because it applies to everyone, the pros and cons of our EU membership are complex, and not well understood by the vast majority of people. We were all asked to vote on a question that most of us couldn't hope to make an informed decision on. Even today, MPs are making statement based on a misunderstanding of either our existing or potential future relationship with the EU. International guidance on referendums advise against any referendum in which the outcome is not clear to participants. We were bounced into a referendum for political reasons but not equipped with the information to vote in it.

I understand your inviting Mumsnet member to join you - you really need the numbers! The Gammon Ball Run looked to have about 30-60 people marching daily - a huge success that.

@mrsterrypratchet I voted leave, i put my trust in the country, the people. Life isn't easy is staying in the EU the easy option yes it is. Is it the right one? Not in my opinion that's my opinion. But I believe in the people of this country the strength the willingness from people to try. Maybe the British spirit is over maybe I'm flogging a dead horse wanting the decisions,the laws our children's futures being down to our country's choices not having the EU pass things and get involved in things that we should be allowed to decide.
I'm not saying the EU is bad it's just not the future I want is that so wrong to have my own opinion formed of much research and even speaking to my local mp who is a remainer but has accepted that the majority of his constituents wanted to leave.

The gammonball run people will not mix well with the football lads democracy (or whatever). Maybe they will just fight among themselves.

And also I should add that many MPs represent lots of people of votes Remain too. The margin was only 1.1m. Even many 'Leave' constituencies may have had only a couple of hundred more people voting Leave than Remain.

One reason we are now in this state of crisis has been the refusal of the Conservatives (and Labour to some extent) to take all those who voted Remain into consideration, disingenuously said that the inevitable results that our FPTP political system delivered in the 2017 General Election as a major endorsement for Leave, and have behaved as if the huge split in the country didn't exist. They tell US that the country should 'come together' but don't do much to help.