To invite all Mumsnetters to the Brexit Rally in Parliament Square tomorrow afternoon/evening?

[SunnyInGrimsby]

OK, it's doubtful Brexit is going to happen any time soon but definitely worth coming along and standing up for what we voted for.

Very little coverage in the media - unfortunately no full page spreads in the Standard for us....

It will be going on until early evening so still worth turning up if you can't get the day off work. Lots of great speakers including Julia Hartley Brewer, Claire Fox, Kate Hoey et al.

Notting hill carnival 2018.

Over 370 arrests. Over 30 police injured.

Just too bring some perspective!!

Didn’t Farage say that if leave lost by a narrow margin, he wouldn’t give up? Or did I imagine that?

That's why people marched yesterday for freedom and autonomy before the rest of you sleep walk into obfuscation owellian nightmare!!

@Peregrina - where is your post condemning abuse to Leave voters and equating us with violence, thugs and murderers (of MP's)? Please do this in the interests of balance.

Bornfreebutinchains

“That's why people marched yesterday for freedom and autonomy before the rest of you sleep walk into obfuscation owellian nightmare!!”

At last, something everyone can agree on. That’s precisely why over a million marched last week, to preserve our rights and freedoms.

@Langrish - re. my voting record: I stood as a Green Party candidate in 2 elections and 2 council elections. I am what is known as a `Green Leave'.

Notting Hill Carnival has nothing to do with Brexit? If we are going down the ridiculous stats route it wouldn’t take very long to point out all the arrests/violence/murders from right-supporting people would it? So let’s not.

Peragina that quote is also another reason why you should feel afraid that this vote is not being honoured.

If you don't stand up for democracy now... and vote being honoured even if you don't agree with the result... don't depend on your vote being counted in future.

Your do see this?

Saw a brief interview with George Osborne on Thursday, asked about delivering Brexit he said "oh, we knew it was impossible to do".

This is why I have zero respect for the referendum or its outcome. It was a deeply flawed referendum with an unsatisfactory question, which was subject to so much rule-breaking and interference that it would have been ruled illegal if it had been legally binding. Referenda are not good democracy either. Just think why it is that they are banned in Germany.

And for the last three years politicians across both our major parties have taken the marginal result of this deeply flawed exercise and turned it into a fictional 'will of the people'. Despite the fact that those who voted Remain were not substantially less in number than those who voted Leave. Despite the fact that it was evident from before the vote took place that there was no single idea of what Leave looked like. No effort has ever been made to talk about that openly. No effort has been made to heal the divide - just lectures from our intransigent and robotic Prime Minister about 'coming together' which fails to acknowledge any of this.

Politically we have been held hostage by the fear of the far right, fear of losing parliamentary seats and the infighting of the Conservative party. And, while I actually don't think a second referendum is necessarily the right thIng, we are now being told that this single, flawed, corrupt narrow victory can never been revisited, which makes me rebel at the sheer lack of common sense. If those who voted Leave are so sure it really is the will of the country, why on earth oppose a second one now that the true possibilities of Leave are so much more apparent? What would be wrong with a more informed (on all sides - many people feel they know more about the good and bad of the EU now) vote?

'Balance' would suggest that these criticisms of Leave voters, which are actually true for some of them, is somehow equivalent to Yaxley Lennon's shit. It's not. I don't really agree with the argument peregrina is making here, but one thing is clearly much worse than the other. I say this as someone who's clear that there are a lot of moderate Leave voters.

I would certainly condemn posts to Leave voters which equate you with violence, thugs and murderers. I don't know if anyone on this thread or any other has said that all Leave voters are violent, thugs or murderers? I will stand corrected, if so.

Sunny, what do you think about the fact that Jenny Jones has signed the petition to revoke Article 50?

Sunny: in which case I salute your principles. Don’t agree with them (we need nuclear!) but salute them and your conviction in putting your money where your mouth is.

Bornfreebutinchains

Notting hill carnival 2018.

Over 370 arrests. Over 30 police injured.

Just too bring some perspective!!

So around .04% at Notting Hill and 0.05% yesterday and Eurostar brought to a standstill today.
All equally appalling.
Your point is what, exactly?

born

But no people who SAY they voted remain (cos I reckon this is happening both ways round to stir shit) have said that they are praying for bloodshed and violence

Thats fair enough I thought that was right

I would just like to say that there is a strange mumsnet theory that unless you say you are against something you are obviously for it...and sometimes you dont even get the chance to say youre against it before someone is accusing you of being for it

I say this as someone who's clear that there are a lot of moderate Leave voters.

Well come on then - stand up and be counted - drown out the fascists.

If you don't stand up for democracy now... and vote being honoured even if you don't agree with the result... don't depend on your vote being counted in future.

As one who has voted in every single election I have been entitled to vote in, which was in 1970 in my case, and more often than not does not get my candidate elected, I am not going to listen to such claptrap about what democracy is.

If you don't stand up for democracy now... and vote being honoured even if you don't agree with the result... don't depend on your vote being counted in future.

The UK is a representative democracy, not direct rule. Mixing the two is never a good idea.

I'm not a Leave voter, moderate or otherwise, so any standing up and being counted I do wouldn't be in that camp.

And jerk chicken to you too inchains. Have you completely lost your reason? If not you may be teetering on the brink. A pound of cheese is not a pound of potatoes.That's why we don't compare them. Ditto a political demonstration and a huge festival; they do not bear comparison. We can see your game matey, passive aggressive doesn't come near it.

Brexit and the vote to leave has given a boost to the far right. Brexit is seen by some as an excuse to adopt an England first attitude. Since Brexit we have seen a rise in racist attacks. Racist comments are heard more openly and often spoken about in the context of Brexit. Many, many posters have explained how they are shocked by heretofore hidden views in family members.

This being the case it is beholden on Brexit supporters to articulate the non racist positives of Brexit. Brexit supporters need to regain the narrative and push the racists out of the picture.

Unfortunately, Brexit supporters fail to do this as it 'not their job' and it is all the fault of the politicians, they have explained it once and won't do it again. You lose the argument if you won't engage. If you don't engage you leave a vacuum and the vacuum has been taken over by the far right.

....or the vacuum is taken over by the extreme left, which can be just as bad.

Absolutely, extremists love a vacuum which is why all these posters declaring they 'will never vote again' is so dangerous.

Some of the clips on Twitter, of news crews being shouted at and jostled, of effigies of politicians being dragged along the ground, it's depressing to think that's what the UK in 2019 is now like.