To invite all Mumsnetters to the Brexit Rally in Parliament Square tomorrow afternoon/evening?

[SunnyInGrimsby]

OK, it's doubtful Brexit is going to happen any time soon but definitely worth coming along and standing up for what we voted for.

Very little coverage in the media - unfortunately no full page spreads in the Standard for us....

It will be going on until early evening so still worth turning up if you can't get the day off work. Lots of great speakers including Julia Hartley Brewer, Claire Fox, Kate Hoey et al.

So, as far as leavers are concerned, retainers are responsible for the shit show that is Brexit and not.....the actual people who voted for it? Right

5 arrests in spite of the presence of the far right.

I'd say that's not bad.

Bornfree - I am more convinced than ever that we wont leave. the EU will insist on a long extension and elections.

leave voters are so incensed that they wont vote (wrong in my view but this is what I think will happen)

the can will have successfully been kicked down the road with the EU hoping for either another referendum that means we stay in or an election with a leader (who knows which party) that will also not respect the referendum result.

There is the most massive disconnect in many areas between MPs and their constituencies. I find that incredibly troubling.

Inchains, I saw what our public broadcaster chose to show. They didn't make it up. Right wing yobbery, given a platform to demand their 'democratic rights' supported by marching bands which I've never before seen in London and hope never to see again. People who understand the significance of this are rightly appalled. If you support it you should be deeply ashamed. And the bbc needs to have a hard look at itself.

talkingjapeneseireallythinkso how do you know that your MEP is a self absorbed tosser if you don't know/don't want to know anything about them? They might well be but a bit of research would be more empowering than assumption.

Leigh - I didn't say that. I am a leaver.

just in case you didn't read it when I posted it last time:

the people responsible are the politicians of all parties who voted to trigger article 50 when they did not agree with or want to leave the EU. they voted to do this so that they could look like they respected the public vote and knew that if they hadn't then the groundswell at that time particularly in some labour areas would have seen seats lost in a GE.

I don't blame leavers or remainer voters. I blame the people elected to carry out the will of the people who have shown themselves to only be interested in their own ambitions.

talking Japanese - how sad that you feel like this.

talkingjapeneseireallythinkso

i don't know who my MEP is and i don't want to know as they are all a bunch of self absorbed tossers.”

Exactly, many of them are, so find out then vote to change them and put someone in place who wants to work on your behalf! 🤯

This is a big part of the problem: apathy about the bogeyman across the channel, not taking part then complaining about the result.

People up thread saying they/people they know will never vote again. What the hell will that achieve? I feel politically homeless right now but come the next election, I wil vote. Because if I don’t I have no right whatsoever to bemoan the outcome.

I blame the people elected to carry out the will of the people

They aren't elected to carry out the will of the people they would be delegates in that case.

They were elected to do the best thing for the country.

Although, they aren't doing that either.

longwayoff

I wonder how many people on here and IRL can name their MEP - not many I suspect.

I am pretty sure that's not you mummymeister, because there is no such thing as 'their MP'. Without looking it up I can immediately name 3 of mine, only one of whom I voted for - namely Catherine Bearder, Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan. Another one I voted for, Annaliese Dodds, stood down at the GE and became MP for oxford East. I can't name her successor without looking it up. I also voted in the Green but I don't recall his name either.

longwayoff

“ And the bbc needs to have a hard look at itself.”

This. Massively disproportionate, bigged up coverage of at best a couple of thousand people.

twitter.com/damocrat/status/1111715313748455429

Think I'll pass.

I am sick and tired of Leavers bleating about democracy. A large part of the country will be going to the polls for Local Elections in just under 5 weeks time. Get out and vote, if democracy matters so much to you. Don't say it doesn't change anything, it won't if you can't be bothered. Scotland though was once a country represented by Labour/Tories and Lib Dems. In the 2015 GE the SNP nearly wiped them out - leaving each of the other parties with one seat each.

i'm indifferent to politics due to the fact whenever i've seen them on the news in parliament they are shouting and braying, making stupid noises and generally acting in a stupid manner. they don't live in the real world like most of the electorate. i'm sure corbyn for one isn't planning to live on a run down inner city council estate.
most mps give the impression of being all out for themselves and keeping the gravy train running in their direction.

Ratification is by the government of each country not by its people so there is no legal requirement for countries to hold referendums to bring treaties into being.

That’s not correct. Ratification of EU treaties by member states has to be done by each state according to its own national process.

In Ireland, a referendum is a direct legal imperative in order to amend its constitution. Other countries may use referendums, although they don’t have to.

Otherwise, ratification decisions on significant treaties are taken by national Parliaments, not by the executive.

Sorry have withdrawn previous as do not wish to inflame.

The UK will not be compelled into significant
changes against its will if we remain, there is no secret powers that can make us. There is no need to concern about it. There are plenty of law professors out there e.g. on Twitter who will happily advise on this.

So post-march.....
There were arrests and yellow vests...

Regardless of leavers' protestations... You may not be rampant swivel eyed racist xenophobes... But you're on the same side as those who are...

It was rabid right winger who murdered Jo Cox...

The EDL and such are not nice people... They harbour neo fascists and neo nazis...
If you support these people please critically evaluate u0u lr fellow supporters...

Faragge.... He was reprimanded at Dulwich college for singing Hitler songs

Bex L Coates
@bexin2d
'Effigies of Theresa May and Sadiq Khan (can't help but point out, a woman and ethnic minority Muslim), dragged by the neck through the streets of London at the Brexit Betrayal March.
Utterly horrific. Deeply unsettling and disturbing. Blood runs cold.'

If you win something, you should not have the prize taken away from you because the other side didn't want you to win, and because the other side can use their power to take it from you. That will make you super super angry and yes, it will fuel hate and violence.

Even when you only won because of a) cheating and b) the competition, if it had been legally binding, would have been closed down?

Contrary to concerned messages up thread, the rally passed off peacefully, in good humour and I wasn’t savaged by far right/far left extremists. It was a fantastic day!

It’s ironic that pro EU campaigners who insist they want to stay in the EU because it creates peace and friendship between countries don’t help their argument by writing abusive messages to Leave voters. If we genuinely want a peaceful world surely that will only happen when we try to engage civilly with those we disagree with? Obviously Leave voters share the hope and vision of a peaceful world but we believe that it is possible to respect our shared humanity outside an artificial, undemocratic, unaudited politically-created construct.

By swearing at, abusing and linking people who attended a democratic march yesterday with the murderer of an MP (one post thankfully removed but another still standing) just sows seeds of division you purport to be against. It’s a bit like saying all Muslims are extremists because a few have been radicalised – there are bad eggs in every movement – and it is simply outrageous to hold millions of people responsible for the appalling actions/views of the few.

It creates an uncomfortable atmosphere in the country where many of the quiet, moderate majority who voted Leave remain `in the closet’, anxious about sharing their perfectly valid opinions for fear of being ostracised by their more fervent Remainer friends. I know plenty of Remainers who are perfectly respectful and will engage with those of a different opinion, however there is a shouty, aggressive minority of Remainers who are helping to create the toxic atmosphere they purport to be against.

So many of us remain `in the closet’ (I only dared write this post anonymously) and our voices are not heard it gives the impression that the country are now Remain but this is only because so many have been silenced for fear of social ostracism.

If Leavers continue to be abused and taunted and their moderate voices are supressed you create a hotbed of resentment which sows the seeds of real extremism.

When, oh Lord, will Leavers ever stop acting the victim? They're so very tiresome.

@SunnyInGrimsby when Yaxley-Lennon was speaking did you cheer him?

People link leavers to racists because there was a racist on their platform.

It creates an 'uncomfortable atmosphere' when racists are applauded and people cheer them on.

There were at least five arrests among the 700 or so who attended yesterday. Contrast that with the 0 arrests among the 1 to 1.5 million who attended last week.

I know which march I regard as peaceful.

I haven’t read all the posts but here are a selection from just a couple of pages:

Leavers are so wilfully ignorant!
Not bloody likely!
Would rather rub shit on my hands and clap!
And people wonder why leavers are thick!
There’s a sure fire of violence occuring
Thanks for fucking up the country
The pool of moderate leavers is shrinking (no it hasn’t, many of us are `in the closet’)
I see very clear differences of intellect, class, dignity, and common sense between Leavers and Remainers. (Eh?)
I won’t be surprised to see violence and loutish behaviour
pro-Brexit events have involved violence and arrests (not the ones I’ve been on)
Anyone with any sense needs to stay away from the swivel eyed loons
If you are the acceptable face of Leave, it is your DUTY (yes I am shouting well, (at least she admits it) to put these scumbags back in their sewer. Otherwise you are enabling them. (How can one moderate Leave voter be held responsible for extremists?)

And Remainers accuse Leavers of inciting hate crimes!! Incidentally, as Leave campaigner I have been sworn at, shouted at and intimidated by EU extremists. However I do not hold all Remainers responsible for this abuse.