To invite all Mumsnetters to the Brexit Rally in Parliament Square tomorrow afternoon/evening?

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OK, it's doubtful Brexit is going to happen any time soon but definitely worth coming along and standing up for what we voted for.

Very little coverage in the media - unfortunately no full page spreads in the Standard for us....

It will be going on until early evening so still worth turning up if you can't get the day off work. Lots of great speakers including Julia Hartley Brewer, Claire Fox, Kate Hoey et al.

I would have thought the ugliness of Brexit would have been recognised with the breaking point poster, before the referendum.

If you are the acceptable face of Leave, it is your DUTY (yes I am shouting) to put these scumbags back in their sewer. Otherwise you are enabling them.

I do know leavers who are educated, intelligent people in professional jobs. I may not agree with them but I do respect their right to an opinion. It's sad that many decent people have had their positions hijacked by some very nasty elements

Random - I have to be careful what I post because I don't want to out myself.

the EU have instruments that they can use to ensure that by the time a treaty - any treaty - needs ratification from a country that 99% of it is already being done and the ratification is a rubber stamping exercise. Look at some of the last treaties when Ireland failed to ratify, they just kept on making them revote.

the EU is aiming towards more devolution (post 2020 and post 2022 CAP proposals amongst others demonstrate this)

Ratification is by the government of each country not by its people so there is no legal requirement for countries to hold referendums to bring treaties into being.

If you know about the EU and you voted remain then I respect that. Its your view, your opinion and thankfully you were given the opportunity to express it. As was I. The only difference is if your opinion had been in the majority people like me would have been told it was a once in a lifetime vote and to go away.

Well and truly hijacked. So it is on Leavers to fight it off. Enabling racists is tbe same as being one.

There is no legal requirement for referenda in lots of countries.

Aren't referenda actually illegal in Germany?

So what are you doing about the bad smell @mummymeister . Because it is all over Leave now.

It's sad that many decent people have had their positions hijacked by some very nasty elements

Those elements were always there. The vote emboldened them. The genie is out the bottle.

Unfortunately this issue just seems to have divided and conquered in terms of the population.

I do think we need to listen to why leave voters voted the way they did without attacks. It’s really sad to see the country in this state.

I spent nearly 3 years listening to Leave voters. Trying to understand why. I'm actually the voice of reason and understanding in real life.
And they rewarded that by setting the dogs on democracy with Yaxley-Lennon.

I do think we need to listen to why leave voters voted the way they did without attacks

I've been listening, and a lot of the reasons are valid. I get that they're angry, feel unheard and ignored, but the solutions to their problems cannot and never could be found from leaving the EU.

bellinisurge - you have no idea NO IDEA of the steps that I have taken to confront the right.

its everyones duty, not just mine to counter the unreasonable shrieking harpies with good, calm and reasonable argument. that's what wins the day. go back and watch the QT episode. shouting racist, racist racist in someones face isn't going to change them. It never has, it never will.

just as I would never suggest that it is only paid up members of the Labour party that should condemn the anti Semitism in their party, you are being slightly ridiculous in suggesting that only those that voted to leave should be dealing with the Right wing.

they have grown not just because of Brexit but because of the kind of responses from remainers on here and IRL that have dissolved what should be a calm discussion of views into name calling, belittling and abuse. Don't you see this bellinisurge or are you too busy SHOUTING.

i'm out too, but i don't waste time with rallies, marches or petitions, total waste of time. bit like voting in elections, - and that needs all the help it can get, if we don't leave i know at least 15 people who have said they'd never vote again for anything.

mummymeister

windows - I cant tell you how depressed I feel this morning about this. Parliament "took back control" and even they couldn't find a compromise. yes some questions got closer votes than others but in the end no one came out on top”

But it was only ever meant to be the beginning of a process, that’s how indicative votes work. They’ll continue to whittle them down until consensus is reached. That was always expected by the architects of the process and understood by the political commentators.

We all share your depression! But after nearly 3 wasted years, a few more series of votes is worth the time to get it right. Votes that should have been the first step towards formulating a WA 3 years ago if TM hadn’t considered herself omnipotent.

bellin 'you are the voice of reason' okay that's your opinion, others might not agree.

Langrish - I and many other leave voters do not like TM deal or the way that she arrived at it or the way that she has proceeded.

I voted to leave with or without "a deal" because I knew that any deal would heavily favour the EU (not a massive surprise there really) Again, you don't have to agree with me on that - not a problem - its just my view.

all that happened yesterday is that the can got kicked down the road, the rabid right did their "see told you so no one likes us no one listens to us" because they could, because that's how it appeared and still no consensus and no matter how many votes you have there wont be one.

Ivana listen.
In every vote there is a cut off.
There has to be.
That's how we vote.

I voted to leave with or without "a deal" because I knew that any deal would heavily favour the EU

There was no suggestion no deal was on the cards prior to the referendum so if you thought a deal would favour the EU what was the point of voting out?

re-read it Frank I said

"leave with or without"

There were some groups talking about no deal. perhaps I only heard because that's the circle I move in.

I want to leave.

mummymeister

“ ..... still no consensus and no matter how many votes you have there wont be one.”

I’ll agree to disagree with you on that one because there will be, eventually. I’m irritated with all of these imposed, artificial deadlines. After 4 decades, it’s vital to get this right. I don’t want to leave, it’s an huge mistake, but those advocating it have the responsibility to see I through to a conclusion that doesn’t screw everyone. If that means EU elections, so be it. I would welcome them as a silver lining, actually. For the first time ever, people in the UK may actually realise how important our representation in Europe is, what a difference sensible MEPs can make to the way the institution works, that we can actually work with it to bring about changes to things leave voters were unhappy about and get off of their apathetic backsides to vote. Get rid of that shower of obstructive hooligans who “represent” us there atm.

If it helps, we all feel miserable (that’s me, reaching out to comfort someone on the other side of the divide, that is

ARF that some poster's, baying for blood and violence, desperate to drag all leavers down to the level of Tommy Robinson, desperate for violence, desperate to ignore the Very reasonable and rationale crowd that turned out yesterday are self identifying as the voice of reason.

The pressure comes from the likely scenario that the people in Westminster will derail brexit.

They have lost faith.

Thank you Langrish. I really hope we don't have EU elections. I wonder how many people on here and IRL can name their MEP - not many I suspect.

We have never really been a part of the EU have we. we didn't really embrace the changes to things like measurements (metres instead of feet) and its all gone downhill since then!

desperate to ignore the Very reasonable and rationale crowd that turned out yesterday

Reasonable and rational, the same crowd that had 5 arrests made?

I refer you to your previous post Bornfree

You see what you want too see.

i don't know who my MEP is and i don't want to know as they are all a bunch of self absorbed tossers.