To invite all Mumsnetters to the Brexit Rally in Parliament Square tomorrow afternoon/evening?

[SunnyInGrimsby]

OK, it's doubtful Brexit is going to happen any time soon but definitely worth coming along and standing up for what we voted for.

Very little coverage in the media - unfortunately no full page spreads in the Standard for us....

It will be going on until early evening so still worth turning up if you can't get the day off work. Lots of great speakers including Julia Hartley Brewer, Claire Fox, Kate Hoey et al.

Listen, there wasn’t enough of a majority for the leave vote to be considered a “win”.

It was nearly split 50/50.

And given the number who didn’t/couldn’t vote, it should never have been deemed a clear consensus.

I imagine that the reluctance of many Leave supporters to turn up at marches like this are precisely BECAUSE of the presence of Robinson etc, which only leads to yet more accusations of racism, ignorance etc. It's a different situation anyway from the Remain march, the Leave vote won and those voters should be able to have confidence that the government will deliver (however long that will take). People don't march because they 'won'....

And so they are happy to alienate people like me who hoped against hope that this wasn't at the heart of the Leave vote? Because it looks to me like it is.

Nobody has come out and condemned the presence of Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk.

That’s telling, IMO...

If Leave voters couldn't see that their win was at risk - as evidenced by the fact we didn't leave on 29 March if nothing else - then they really aren't paying attention. So they left it to EDL twats. Hmmmm ... what does that make them?

longwayofg

To be fair to George Osborne (and believe me it really sticks in my throat saying that) it’s well documented that he was firmly opposed to holding the referendum and tried very hard to persuade Cameron not to, because he was even then far more realistic about the prospect of Leave winning.
Of course, his austerity is what drove a lot of Leave votes but I don’t think he can be apportioned as much blame in the decision to hold the referendum and the lack of a plan. That was almost entirely Cameron’s baby. Of course, he immediately became an absent father. I can’t believe that he continues to get away with it, his culpability barely mentioned in the media.

I imagine that the reluctance of many Leave supporters to turn up at marches like this are precisely BECAUSE of the presence of Robinson etc,

So where are the voices of condemnation? Where are the petitions, the marches, the media campaigns saying Not In My Name?

Leavers, you need to own the consequences of your decision.

All of the consequences.

@IvanaPee
Nobody has come out and condemned the presence of Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk

That’s telling, IMO..

I've been on another thread asking people to condemn him. How is that? Condemn the racist, but people won't do it.

Whilst I am an ardent remainer I do feel a teeny bit sorry for those leavers who genuinely believe they are making the right decision because the face of leave has become Farage, Tommy Robinson, racist, angry, wilfully ignorant. I know about 10 leavers. At least 5 of them are racist and ignorant. However the other 5 are not. I only hear from the first five about Brexit. I think leavers and remainers can agree that Brexit has brought out the worse in this country (ignorance and racism on one side, patronising superiority on the other) it is damaging and divisive.

Bornfreebutinchains - why should we be held hostage by far right fanatics? Is that not, in effect giving in to terrorism?

I’d rather be patronising and superior than racist, bigoted, fascist and ignorant.

Nobody has come out and condemned the presence of Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk

That’s telling, IMO

I completely agree. Nobody from anywhere has apologised for this thread.

Joanna Cherry MP wrote this yesterday:

@joannaccherry
"Very relieved to be safely back to my base in London. Was abused by trailing ends of the #LeaveMeansLeave protest as I walked home. Called a traitor. Told to go back to my own country. Such a contrast from #PeoplesVoteMarch last weekend #BrexitChaos"

Lisa Nandy MP (also a mother of very small children like Jo Cox, wrote this yesterday)

"Today outside Parliament I and others were accosted by people shouting f traitor as we tried to get in to vote. Our staff were advised to leave the building for their own safety. There were armed police everywhere. This is not normal"

This is shocking footage of fascists mobbing Channel 4 news reporters.
twitter.com/georginafstubbs/status/1111715367615901701

I am extremely puzzled about this thread, in so many ways.

the face of leave has become Farage, Tommy Robinson

Yes.

Was really shocked that Tommy Robinson was given air time on the News last night. Surely we are better than this?

They haven’t “become” the face of Leave, they orchestrated the bloody thing!

People signing up to Farage’s UKIP bandwagon knew exactly who/what they were supporting.

It's hard to condemn your own side the Labour Party is fighting with this.

I am on the left, I am a solid trade unionist but I will condemn anti semitism in the Labour Party as loud as you like to make it clear Not In My Name.

A shame many leavers won't do the same.

I agree with you langrish

There is no excuse.

Windows

As an insider of sorts then , can you tell me if Labour is a leave or remain party?
Tracy Brabin was just asked that question on Breskfast and she gave the most unsatisfactory answer of “I’m glad you asked me that, it depends on the timing and the circumstances”.
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That leaves me one of the millions who feel politically homeless right now.

I'm politically homeless. I won't vote for a racist party or a party that gives comfort to racists.

I think, hope, the political landscape may be shifting away from left vs right two party politics and a more nuanced form may develop phoenix like from the ashes.

I keep telling my inner optimist she is a fool but she keeps opening her mouth.

I am a leave voter and I absolutely and unequivocally condemn the far right. They have no place in my country - in any country. I would not join a march orchestrated by them or led by them. If I was on a march and they spoke at it, I would leave.

I did not march yesterday. I sat at home and cried at 11pm because it really does feel like the last 3 years have been a total waste.

the blame for this doesn't lie with the fascists, it lies with the politicians. they almost all voted to invoke article 50 and none of them - Conservative, labour anyone else - had a plan in place.

If the MP's didn't want to leave then they shouldn't have voted to invoke Article 50. But they were too shit scared of looking like they didn't respect us - the public. so they did it because their careers and their salaries are more important to them than their morals.

I will always be a leave voter. I will carry on lobbying and writing and doing what I can to leave the EU. I see the roadmaps post 2020 with vetos being removed and closer integration and I don't want it. I don't want to be in the EU now and I don't want to be in the one that is planned even more. The roadmaps are freely available on line you can all look it up and read them and see what is planned. You might like this, I do not.

and please, stop tarring all leave voters with the same racist brush. All that does is fuel the fire of the right wing. What extremists hate the most is when people with opposing views discuss, act reasonably, don't call each other names and respect the differences.

Thanks langrish, you're right about GO, I was hoping Leavers might take note that if the Chancellor said it was impossible then they might consider it a valid viewpoint. Hopeless though, these are people who argue with the Governor of the Bank of England because they know better than him. Its like trying to argue with scientologists or other cult believers, reason cannot prevail, purposeless, but we live in hope.

mummymeister that was a very brave but thoroughly depressing post.

Well done on doing the decent thing and condemning the racists it's such a shame others on - the right and the left - won't do it.

Mummymeister if nothing else you can console yourself that the 2020 Lisbon treaty stuff is untrue

fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

This isn't to take away from your existing feelings, but even if we were to remain fundamentally further integration would require a referendum

longwayoff

I still have a little bit of sick in my throat after vaguely defending GO

Anyone who disses Carney can clearly be immediately discounted. One of the few consistent and sane voices in all of this lunacy.

Peter Lilley, John Redwood and their peculiar ilk (who are the worst kind because they know full well they’re being disingenuous), with their protests of “well they said we’d go into recession if we voted to leave and they were wrong, weren’t they?”

manipulative b’astards. They know full well that the only answer to that is “it’s because we haven’t friggin’ left yet”. It’s truly frightening, the number of people who still actually believe that we have. Forgive repetition, but as I posted the other day, my sister’s elderly next door neighbour thinks we left in 2016. She hasn’t tried to disavow her, it’s just not worth going there 😱

The right wing fanatic s were a tiny part of yesterday's march.

You see what you want too see.

It's deeply unpleasant to see posters literally praying for bloodshed and violence.

windows - I cant tell you how depressed I feel this morning about this. Parliament "took back control" and even they couldn't find a compromise. yes some questions got closer votes than others but in the end no one came out on top.

I spend a lot of time reading and responding to EU directives, roadmaps, proposals etc. My view, to leave, is based on what I have read in these documents over many hundreds of hours. I just think this constant name calling that all leavers are ignorant, racist twats with no understanding of anything plays right into the hands of the far right.