To invite all Mumsnetters to the Brexit Rally in Parliament Square tomorrow afternoon/evening?

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OK, it's doubtful Brexit is going to happen any time soon but definitely worth coming along and standing up for what we voted for.

Very little coverage in the media - unfortunately no full page spreads in the Standard for us....

It will be going on until early evening so still worth turning up if you can't get the day off work. Lots of great speakers including Julia Hartley Brewer, Claire Fox, Kate Hoey et al.

From another, thankfully, outsiders perspective it's getting more and more ludicrous.

There is a massive divide between the Remain and Leave sides. It's very clear to anyone looking in.

Leavers being asked repeatedly to give concrete examples of how things will be better ex EU and the best I've read is "because we said so"

Remainers instead have well thought out actual examples of the benefits of remaining in the EU.

Everything on the list of things that are the EUs fault is actually down to home grown government policies and has feck all to do with the EU.

The rest of Europe is watching wide eyed in comic disbelief whilst your idiot government run you all off a cliff because nobody will risk their ego by saying "well we tried and it can't work so as you were"

@YouTheCat do you know of any others?

I AM superior to Tommy Robinson and the EDL. Me sneering at them (which I do, because I look down on them and their supporters) did not cause them to vote Brexit.

I was saying to my DH earlier that I want to sit down with every single Leaver in Parliament Square this afternoon, for three hours each, and properly discuss with them why they voted the way they did, what their life experiences have been, what they think a no-deal Brexit will look like, why the EU is so important to them. It's just baffling to me. I don't understand how anyone can be sanguine about no-deal.

Well, chickens, they're sanguine because they don't understand what they think they want. Ignorance is bliss. Saw a brief interview with George Osborne on Thursday, asked about delivering Brexit he said "oh, we knew it was impossible to do". Thanks for telling us now George. So your thoughtful and reasoned questioning of each individual would avail you nought in the way of explanation.

I'm washing my hair.

Edl and tommy Robinson speaking to an officially sanctioned march and now Dominic grieve’s deselection organised by an ex UKIP deputy who realised that if you can’t win seats democratically you are better off capturing democracy from within. The whiff of fascism is in the air.

they're sanguine because they don't understand what they think they want.

I really hope this is the case, because the idea that there are people who want no deal, who actually understand what that would entail is terrifying.

. The whiff of fascism is in the air.

This, unfortunately.
I am actually getting quite fucked off at Leavers going on about my "superior" attitude and how it's all my fault given the horror show of yesterday's march. Absolutely no responsibility being taken, always everyone's else's fault and would genuinely rather condemn someone who supports Remain than a bunch of far right nutters.

Agree figment, seeing and hearing those creatures courtesy of the BBC was utterly chilling. 1930s all over again. I'm surprised they weren't openly seig heiling.

I'll sneer all bloody day at Yaxley-Lennon and fucking flute bands. Because I am better than them. Aren't you, Leave supporters?
If your position is sooo flimsy that you need twats like that, you are everything I tried to pretend you weren't.
Where were all the sponsored buses - sponsored by ordinary people via crowdfunder? Where were the rational reasonable voices drowning out these extremists with their view?
I didn't see them and god knows I looked because I'm pretty fair minded and I know all about the media only seeking out attention seekers and headline grabbers.
If you walked along side these people, that's who you are.

I'm embarrassed and disgusted with the view the world has of our country now. Intimidating journalists... whiff of fascism, definitely.

No thanks . I don't want brexit . Why would you want to be a little island on your own in the world??

No trade agreements, no visa free travel to Europe, no ability to work in 27 other countries visa free and for the poor little millennials no tax free Parmesan, champagne, truffles or Parma ham 🙀🙀🙀 the horror lol

I am a leaver. I do not support Tommy robinson, or EDL or any other fascict, racist, intolerant or hateful organisation.

It is such a massive massive shame that such organisations are feeding off this current political storm, but it makes sense they are.

Please please everyone, don't assume all leavers are Tommy robinson or EDL supporters. My vote had nothing to do with immigration or racism or anything connected to the far right. (and the hate spread out from these organisations sickens me)

My vote was about democracy, about trade and about a host of other things which were well covered in past threads at the time of the vote.

Now my support for leave is about being heard. About the huge class divide in the UK, about upholding the Democratic vote, about resisting middle-class and political power, about not being dismissed simply because others with more power didn't like the outcome of the vote.

Then why weren't you in London drowning out those voices?

@ItsFinallyBedTime then you need to be out there changing the tone. Unfortunately the march yesterday will have just confirmed what a lot of people were thinking - if you have people like the EDL and Tommy Robinson standing for your side you’re a bit fucked.

Leavers need to make a stand against that, otherwise you’re all going to be tarred with the same brush.

This to me is more sinister than the march - mobile.twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1111768417932062721?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
It's on Leave voters to squash these voices. Not the media and certainly not Remain voters.
If you can't be arsed to stop them, you can assume that I will think you are like them.

bed that actually terrifies me, that the support for leave is not because people necessarily think it is the right thing but because it is sticking 2 fingers up at the establishment. How on earth do people think that Brexit will make this better?

Reading my (ex) local MP's current FB page is terrifying (I am very much so at the moment), people have no idea how parliamentary process works (I'm not saying I have loads of knowledge but I have more than zero) let alone about what they are saying should be happening.

There were some bellinisurge. The media didn't show them because, although I generally love the British media and generally think the BBC tries not to be bias, unfortunately they are swayed to the remain side and it's in their interest to paint all leavers as thick racists, rather than to show them in another light. It is helpful for the remain side to stir up Tommy Robinson and EDL as it strengthens the view that all leavers are like them (which we are not).

By the way - just an aside - where I live you are expected to be remain. My children attend a primary school where most parents appear to be remain. Most people assume I'm remain. I have had many people pass comment to me about how awful the people that voted leave are, how rowdy they are, how they we're fooled into casting their vote, how they didn't know what they we're doing, how we should never have given them the vote, and about how sensible the remainers are, how well they thought about the vote, how their view is absolutely the right one that should be listened to, even though they lost the vote. I'm saddened that these people who profess to be so open, intelligent, wise and sensible can be so demeaning, patronising and blatently disrespectful of others :( obviously it's not all remainers, and there are many people that voted remain who are less judgemental of the other side, but some mum's have been really really rude to me about leavers. Because of this, I feel I would be ostracised and looked down on at the school gate if I 'came out' with my opinion to leave. I therefore keep quiet. I think it's sad that I have to feel that way.

Agreed Figment. Dominic Grieve is a shining example of what a politician should be - calm, committed, intelligent, forensic in the detail and willing to stand up and put principles and the good of the country before party. It is appalling and, frankly, frightening that he is now facing deselection.

I say that as someone who never has and never will vote for a Tory government but who recognises a great MP when I see one.

'By their friends ye shall know them''. There you have it, Leavers.

So, just to summarise:

Remain- 4 major marches on parliament since the referendum. The smallest had around 120,000 marchers, the largest 1 million. No arrests at any of them.
Leave- 1 march. I can’t see any numbers anywhere so let’s be generous and say 5000. Five arrests.

I think the worst behaviour I’ve heard of on the Remain side is that the Albert Hall got annoyed with all the EU flags at the proms and asked people to put them away. Not really the same, is it.

@ItsFinallyBedTime , where I live, you are expected to have voted Leave. I keep my mouth shut and tell dd to keep her mouth shut. She told me a couple of her classmates (Y7) went to the March thing yesterday. We are in NW England. She also said one of her close mate's mum voted Remain. They are really struggling financially (this is a Free Tommy Robinson area before you think I mean struggling to pay for a gap yah) and the mum saw Leave as too risky.

Now my support for leave is about being heard. About the huge class divide in the UK, about upholding the Democratic vote, about resisting middle-class and political power, about not being dismissed simply because others with more power didn't like the outcome of the vote.

And the saddest thing is that your support for leave will only make the the things you are unhappy about worse.