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To feel desperately sorry for Theresa May

398 replies

ferns99 · 28/03/2019 11:58

On a human level I just feel so sorry for her - she looks like she's aged so much and is apparently becoming quite unwell because of the immense stress she's under. To be continually ripped to shreds by the despicable ERG and so many others in the House of Commons is just awful - I don't know how she does it. A few times I've seen her looking like she's on the verge of tears. I wonder if she goes home every night and just sobs - I know I would.

It's sad as I think she would have made a decent PM if Brexit didn't exist.

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Inliverpool1 · 31/03/2019 11:17

On a human level I can’t feel sorry for anyone who’s made their own bed and is perfectly capable of walking away from it. My sympathies are with those lying in the bed she made for them and noway of getting out of it

Limensoda · 31/03/2019 11:45

Predictable responses here. May is someone I disagree with politically, therefore I’m free to forget she’s a human being. Epitomises what’s wrong with the left today

I forget she's a human being because SHE has forgotten to BE a human being!
If you think there's something wrong with despising her treatment of the poor and most vulnerable people of this country then I think that probably epitomises what's wrong with the 'right' today.

DonaldTwain · 31/03/2019 12:23

See, there we go. All balance, sense of proportion, grip entirely lost. Amazing how eager you were to prove my point for me!
(Remember how people used to say all the clever people are left wing? Not any more ...)

BertrandRussell · 31/03/2019 12:59

“All balance, sense of proportion, grip entirely lost.”
Eh?

Incidentally, I would imagine that the people with they least sympathy for May at the moment would be right wingers..

Alsohuman · 31/03/2019 13:00

Nobody’s proved your point for you @Donald. You may wish to brush up your comprehension skills if you think they have.

Lweji · 31/03/2019 13:00

I'm not sure what you mean. Are we suppsed to feel sorry for her just for being human?

I feel sorry for refugees, people who are hungry, people below the poverty line, people who are ill.

May? Not so much. She doesn't have to be PM. She is in a position that it was fully her choice.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 31/03/2019 13:12

I have no pity or sympathy for her. She’s shown precious little to those people affected by Windrush, Brexit, police cuts, austerity, etc.

Limensoda · 31/03/2019 13:38

See, there we go. All balance, sense of proportion, grip entirely lost. Amazing how eager you were to prove my point for me!
(Remember how people used to say all the clever people are left wing? Not any more ...)

Hmmm, I think it's you who needs to get a grip.
You are not making much sense at all.

DonaldTwain · 31/03/2019 18:03

If you think that response was reasonable, ok. At the end of the day, the fact the left has lost the art of measured, temperate, reasoned discussion is not a bad thing from my perspective.

Lweji · 31/03/2019 18:33

At the end of the day, the fact the left has lost the art of measured, temperate, reasoned discussion is not a bad thing from my perspective.

Why do you think that's not a bad thing?

Limensoda · 31/03/2019 19:33

Why do you think that's not a bad thing?

She's Theresa May?

Lweji · 31/03/2019 19:44

I'd think it's bad if any part of the political spectrum loses the capacity for "measured, temperate, reasoned discussion".
Either the oppposite side is shockingly bad, or that particular part of the spectrum is damaging for the country.
Neither is desirable.

Lweji · 31/03/2019 19:47

Damaging for the country as in many Brexit voters and campaigners: "because sovereignty" and the "we'll eat rabbits and turnips" spirit.

Sweetpea55 · 31/03/2019 20:15

Politics aside I do feel sorry for her as a woman.
She must be sick to the back teeth of trying to sort out this Brexit thing and also trying to corral these idiots we call mps
She looks ill and tired. Wonder if she's on vitamins?

Amongstthetallgrass · 31/03/2019 20:17

I don’t feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for the people that have to use food banks because of ‘austerity’Hmm

Alsohuman · 31/03/2019 20:18

She's on something for sure.

Limensoda · 31/03/2019 21:33

She must be sick to the back teeth of trying to sort out this Brexit

Not really, otherwise she would have listened to people more.
Ministers and MPs have commented on how she refuses to listen.

HelenaDove · 09/04/2019 22:42

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-46836957?fbclid=IwAR0601zOQQlOREMFAO1VojoL7o0R6eGsYecWewT6ynOJ6voH46bcFpcMzwM

"Italian women invited to work in UK mills in the 1950s but now faced with applying to stay after Brexit have said they feel English and have a life here.

Many of the "mill girls" settled in Bradford but do not have UK passports or understand why they need to act.

Despite being given paperwork stating they could remain in the UK, they now have to make new applications to stay.

The Home Office said it would help EU citizens to get the immigration status they needed.

Many in the Italian community in the West Yorkshire city have said they were unsure why they were being asked to prove their residency.
'Why should I apply?'

Maria Olyjnik, who came to the UK in 1959 to work at Salts Mill, said: "I feel English, that's my quandary.

"We are foreigners in Italy, we are foreigners over here."

One woman, who meets with others at the Italian Church Mission in Bradford, said: "Why should I apply? I'm here. I've got residency. I don't understand what there is to apply. Apply for what?

Another said: "I've been here long enough. I've got a life here, I've got my children and my grandchildren."

Maria Philburn, who has been writing a blog about her mother Margherita Althajm since the UK voted to leave the European Union, said: "On the day of the referendum result, the blood drained out of my body, and my first thought was what are we going to do with my mum?"

Mrs Althajm, 91, has Alzheimers, and is not aware of what she needs to do.

Her daughter said: "One of the main problems is that a lot of them [the Italian community in Bradford] do not think that they need to apply for anything."

Mrs Althajm was given a certificate of registration - like a work permit - which she kept updated until 1961, when she was told she was exempt from the process and could live in the UK freely.

Mrs Philburn applied through the Windrush scheme so her mother could stay in the UK indefinitely.

She had to go for her fingerprints, a face recognition thing, and she now has a biometric card to show that she is allowed to stay in this country," she said.

"I'm angry that at 91 she was asked to have her fingerprints taken."

After World War Two, many towns and cities in Italy were ruined by bombing and jobs were scarce.

More people were needed to work in the textile mills in Yorkshire, and a large number were recruited from Italy. Some even had their travel paid for by their employers.

Vie Clerc Lusandu, from the3million, an organisation set up to protect the vulnerable EU citizens at risk from Brexit, said: "If they do not apply they will be considered illegal in the country, regardless of how long those people have been in the country.

"People don't seem to know what they need to do and why they should apply."

Immigration solicitor Luke Piper said: "If you don't do anything, the risks are very serious. You risk not being able to rent property, to access a bank account, you risk being charged for NHS treatment, and you risk being prosecuted for a criminal offence.

Advice for EU citizens living in the UK

EU citizens will have to answer three "simple" questions online if they want to continue living in the UK after Brexit, according to the Home Office.

People will be asked to prove their ID, whether they have criminal convictions and whether they live in the UK.

The scheme will operate online and via a smartphone app, and Home Secretary Sajid Javid said the government's "default" position would be to grant, not refuse, settled status.

A Home Office spokesperson said: "We want EU citizens living in UK to stay and the settlement scheme will make it easy for them to obtain the immigration status they need.

"We are clear that no-one will be left behind and we are providing up to £9m funding and working closely with organisations that are supporting vulnerable or at-risk people, and their family members, through the application process."

GoFiguire · 09/04/2019 22:50

I feel sorry for Donald Tusk.

corythatwas · 09/04/2019 23:18

I can't help wondering what the faces of the elderly members of the Windrush generation looked like when they found themselves hauled onto aeroplanes and deported to a country they didn't know, where they had no contacts, no support and no means of sustenance. Some of them were already unwell when they were sent out there. Some, I believe, have since died.

Clavinova · 09/04/2019 23:39

HelenaDove
"Italian women invited to work in UK mills in the 1950s but now faced with applying to stay after Brexit
Despite being given paperwork stating they could remain in the UK, they now have to make new applications to stay.

They don't have to do anything;

Extract from Hansard Jan 2019;
hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2019-01-16/debates/7E69062C-4881-4DD6-B240-B18C9F0F0740/Debate

Lord Greaves (LD)
"My Lords, the purpose of asking this topical Question is to raise an issue highlighted by elderly Italian people living in Bradford.The BBC’s “Inside Out” programme in Yorkshire on Monday evening covered this admirably. I am talking about Italians, particularly ladies, who came to Bradford as mill girls 60 years ago and are now therefore mainly in their 80s." ...

"What are the Government doing to withdraw those threats from them and simply to leave them alone?"

Baroness Williams of Trafford
"My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for advance notice of his concern about this."

"Like any EEA nationals who settled in the UK before 1973, the Italians in Bradford already have indefinite leave to remain and do not need to apply to the EU settlement scheme.They can if they want make a free application to the Windrush scheme for documentation to confirm that status.In any event, the Windrush scheme is open to a person of any nationality who arrived in the UK before 31 December 1988 and believes that they have settled status in the UK."

Lord Clark of Windermere (Labour)
"My Lords, is the noble Baroness saying that the Italians in Bradford have nothing to worry about?"

Baroness Williams of Trafford
"Yes, my Lords, I am."
...

Baroness Williams of Trafford
"My Lords, I think it is clear that, deal or no deal, those people are welcome here."

HelenaDove · 09/04/2019 23:45

Clavinova Thanks

Dongdingdong · 10/04/2019 07:02

From Clavinova’s post it sounds like that BBC report is completely wrong then. Shockingly bad research!

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