AIBU as a remainer to think a 2nd ref would obliterate political trust?

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How can the government disobey the instruction of the electorate? Surely it would not only destroy trust but also set a nasty precedent. Aibu to ask how a 2nd referendum could ever be justified?

Given that the commons has literally voted no to every single choice I think the only option is a second referendum
Whether you include remain and leave as a high level or just all the leave options is debatable but what else can they do
The problem is not only does the commons not know what brexit should mean or the people want it to mean I’m not sure the public do either

I find that this argument is like saying that once the electorate has voted a party in, they have to stay in power forever.
Things have changed and developed over the last few years, new people could vote that couldn't last time, we have uncovered the specific issues that Brexit will bring. It's actually politically responsible to check that a majority of the population still want it. I do think that there's a strong possibility that leave will win again though.

I don’t really think there is much trust left, the whole thing has been a bloody farce.

I don’t understand giving a vote to people, when you can’t actually state what they’re voting for. .

My own parents voted so that we could ‘Have control of our fishing waters!’ and ‘Have our country back to its former glory!’
When I asked recently how they thought it was going, their reply was ‘We’ve gotten through two world wars, we’ll be fine, and anyway as always they need us more than we need them.’
If this is what some people really think will happen, and that the outcome with be peachy, then I do worry about the repercussions when they don’t get what they want.

I feel there should be another vote, but there should be REAL options laid out for people, not something TM or MPs are promising to do but cannot back up.
I just don’t see the bloody point in this whole thing, it’s cause a very large rift which will take a long time to repair, and nobody will be truly happy with the results.

I honestly believe that the inflamatory language and vitriol that is slung around has been far more damaging to British society than Leaving the EU ever could be.
I can't agree with this because of the Irish border. Apparently the GFA has saved the lives of 2,000 people (based on number of people killed in the 20 years before) a hard Brexit rips this peace treaty up. Preserving the GFA means we could only ever have a soft Brexit, unless of course we left the EU hand in hand with Ireland. And yes, I did read about this before the referendum. We are now just reaping what was sown hundreds of years ago.

"There is no justification - we've had a referendum.
You can't keep having them until the result comes up the way you want"

I can’t believe people are still repeating this statement like this has anything to do with the actual situation

Hang on a minute. All most of the remain side have done for three years is repeat the same few things themsleves

"leavers are thick and stupid"
"leavers are bigotry and racist"
"leavers didn't know what they voted for"

If remainers are allowed to carry on repeating the above than its perfectly OK for leavers to repeat about the referendum.

It is actually very much to do with the situation. One of the options voting on yesterday was to have another referendums, all eight options were voted against. God knows why they spent ages voting as the results aren't legally binding.

Lifeover I honestly believe that the inflamatory language and vitriol that is slung around has been far more damaging to British society than Leaving the EU ever could be.

Says the person who has used inflammatory language...
'virtue signalling'
'remainers that don't have a clue...'
'pawns of the ruling elite...'

...all while crying crocodile tears, saying ... Most of all I’m sad that people show no respect, kindness or understanding of each other and think it’s ok to use quite disgusting tactics to push each other down.

You really couldn't make it up.

Part of the problem now though with any new vote is there has been 3 years of marketing by remainers so any vote would not take place on an equal basis and the inequality will inevitably lead to, in my opinion anyway, any vote now being prejudiced.

LOL at 'marketing'. I think you mean 'exercising their democratic right to object'. Leavers - particularly hardline ERG - have been pandered to by government far more than remainers have IMO, as demonstrated by TM's 'red lines'. They have also been bolstered by the mainstream media yelling about the 'will of the people' and calling judges 'enemies' and 'traitors', while barely acknowledging the closeness of the vote.

Amazing how Leavers repeatedly play the victim card.

Lifeover - the vote has always been prejudice though the majority of people base their decision on what they think or frankly whether they are risk adverse or not.

I happen to agree I think the EU has fundamentally changed from its initial conception and not in a good way. Huge countries like the US prove how difficult it is to manage local/state/federal law etc and they are unified.

The problem is we have never been truly in - if we had (and had a decent leader which we have not had for years) we could have exercised control from the inside. All of the options to leave just give us some of the crap.

If we could properly leave and it would all be good I would happily vote for that. But the bit I do know is that is so unlikely to happen we might stay.

All I have ever wanted to know is how leaving would actually work - what it actually means. A decent plan and properly run campaign all signed off from everyone involved I would vote for (including the Irish border) so if someone could actually tell me how it would properly work I would be happy to get behind

I am not happy to get behind any form of mess or it might be ok or we just need a change (when what we really need a change is from our current first past the point 2 party own political crap)

How is it that this issue of national importance belongs solely to the Tory Party? Not that opponents are anxious to participate and share the blame. The arrogance of politicians is astounding.

I don't think there's any trust there to break..

But (as a remainer) I do know that whilst there is mocking of the leavers total failure of a march against remains million or so.. Leavers were mostly quiet 3yrs ago (aside from the vocally outrageous, the racist contingency and a few brave enough to air their valid opinion). I live in an affluent area surrounded mostly by poorer towns. This and the I think 11 or 12 nearest towns voted leave in that referendum. Every single post I saw on social media was remain heavy (my local page has 40k members) a lot of it was shameful nastiness and accusations meaning leavers kept quiet after they'd seen others attacked so it looked a done deal same as the incorrect people opinion polls in the lead up. So I would not be at all confident remain would get a winning 2nd vote. Just as those vocal children who were under 18 at the time now may have a chance to vote remain, the children of the leave adults do too. I believe it would be very close yet again.

It's fine if a new referendum is close or if Leave wins, as long as the Leave option is for something concrete this time.