children that are firghtened of dogs and how i find some parents are encouraging their fear

[haychee]

I have 2 medium to large dogs and i get so cross when i come accross children that just lose the plot if the dogs go near them. I can understand that they are frightened and i call the dogs away from the child instantly. But what makes me cross is the parents responses, "that dog should be on a lead" or i just get looks that could kill you dead. My arguement is, that if the child is that frightened then why would you take him or her to a place where dogs are everywhere in a dog walking area. Why do parents encourage their childrens fear by making these comments? what good does it do for the child? I actually saw one mother once who picked her child up every time the dog was anywhere close (like 4-5meters away). The child got increasingly anxious and the mother ended up having a go at me. I know and fully appreciate that some dogs are dangerous but mine arent and i think that when parents react like this infront of their children the message they are displaying is that its ok to be this frightened of dogs.

My daughter was once frightened of thunder so i purposely sat up with her watching a storm and saying things like "wow, that one was very loud" and " cor, look at that lightening isnt it beautiful". Because of this time i spent with her and the way we watched it together has dulled her fear - infact she gets quite excited if there is a storm brewing now.
Any one else feel the same or can understand where im coming from? or maybe your one of these types of parents that react like this? I would like to discuss the issue if anyone has any comments?

hate to break it to you Haychee but you are just confirming what i am saying. your dogs are of course different from all the other dogs in the world. Er, no, they are not.

Children should be brought up not to be cruel to animals, obviously, but that is an entirely different subject to expecting them not to object to be chased around the park.

not to object to being chased...

AWEN
I didnt want to retaliate to any refernces to my previous posts on the shrek issue but you CONTINUE to bring it up. Yes i agree it is far more common for a dog to attack than for a child to be snatched from their bed. But i did say that i agreed the WORDING on the damn ad should be changed.
Why do you insist on tracking me down and attacking me in the way you are doing. What indiscrepancies have you exactly found. I suggest you re-read the entire thred/s to get you fact right from the start before lashing out at me. You have mocked me for my opinions and this i find to be very unfair.

Please check my post on this thread in particular haychee on Thu 12-Jul-07 08:30:41

God is this still going - OP stop feeling sorry for yourself, you posted under am I being unreasonable and clearly many, many people here think you are. Deal with it.

Calling AWEN, come in please AWEN...

PMSL -- oooooooo am i a stalker.. I think not. still LOL @ tracking you down!!!!!

You keep changing what you say, dsont you see?? inconsistent.

'It appears that all my hard work and training and care i take over my dogs is and has been ruined by those owners who do not take as much care as i do. The simple message that i wanted to portray was that kids need to be taught how to act around dogs, not encouraged to scream and run. Because of this opinion i have been slaughtered - told i was full of crap,told to have my dogs put down and various other totally ridiculous statements. My dogs ARE well trained and always under control, they never jump up etc. '

Right your dogs are always under control but yet you said that they run around after a child who is running assuming it is a game. Not under control IMO. Perhaps if you taught your dogs how to behave around 'normal' running happy children then perhaps your wouldnt find your dogs seeing a running child as something to chase.

You keep rambling on, and getting upset that people do not agree with you. I dont agree with you, I dont give a flying fuck wether you find that fair or not. I am not going to pat you on the head and say I agree to make you feel validated. I think you are talking shit.

Yes
I think the thread is done.
I think most people agree that the OP was unreasonable because

1 a child cannot tell if a dog is dangerous or not and
2 some people simply have phobias or fears or have had a bad experience before and
3 in a mixed area a dog should be very tightly controlled - either on the leash or very well trained and
4 dogs can actually be unexpetedly dangerous even if previously passive

However there have been some excellent posts made discussing
1 the need for segregated area and
2 the need for parents to ensure that they do not pass on any of their anxiety to their children
3 some EXCELLENT tips on dog pooh clearance and
4 an exciting oppertunity for a quick mind to create the perfect doggy loo

well done everyone!

Now the only thing that needs further debating is
1 who was most foul to whom
2 how vile mumsnetters are
3 something I don't quite understand about Haychee's career

If we are opening it further could we discuss how peculiar it is that me and the big fluffy dog seem to be missing ASD son more than everyone else. And why do I miss ASD boy so much more than the other two ( on short school trip -two days) when I really do love them all the same
Please can we not extend in to how dreadful my spelling etc is. I went to school in the 70's. It's not all my fault

HTH's - as thread is long I thought a precise was in order

There are also alot that DONT think i am being unreasonable! Perhaps i did not make myself clear in the op? My dogs were not chasing anybody, they were in a leash free area and they were just sniffing around in the bushes not noticing this family ahead of us at all. All the time the dogs were controlled , never allowed to get any closer than 5metres from the family. But the way the mother was carrying on youd think they had actually chased her dd. It became obvious that it was the mothers reaction that was making the child increasingly distressed. I neednt of got to this satge had she of quietly reassured the child and let us pass and get on our way.

PMSL

I think it is time for , don't you!

Shall we have a vote on unreasonable or reasonable first just to clarify?

sweet mother of god - this is still going on
Haychee - YABU
and what is more, raking over individual posts and arguing each teeny, tiny point to prove you are "right" endears you to no-one
and will not convert people to your cause as you so clearly hope

theofficialmoderater .. I swore LOADS

My vote is YES Haychee is being unreasonable!!!!!

lets have a synchronised parping first though

AWEN

By haychee on Thu 12-Jul-07 08:30:41
I do not allow my dogs to chase every child in sight but i do believe that if you are going to take a child into a park or any other area where dogs are permitted to run free then the child should be taught how to react and to approach a dog. I am not saying that all dogs are friendly or that the owners word for it can be trusted. But is does aggrevate me when i see a child with its mother and they are both flapping up and down and creating a commotion at even the sight of a dog off the lead. All this does is make the dog even more aware of their presence and to a dog, especially a young one, it looks as though these people want to play.

In which case Haychee, they were being over dramatic. If they were going about their own business, sounds like the family may of had a previous experience which has made them neurotic about the subject.

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HAYCHEE

Maybe the child was scared of you!! Maybe they thought you were a bad person??

I vote yes yabu

Haychee,
So you have a frame of reference for next time, if that had been my son - your dog only 5 meters away - he would have FREAKED ! are you sure it wasn't me?
My son would have been absoloutely terrified

To Awen, for use of bad language, to wit one (1) use "fucking"; three (3) uses "fuck"; three (3) uses "shit" and four (4) uses "bloody".

Possible mitigation for uses of "shit" in context.

All appeals to the Moderators' Office before 6pm, please...

Fuckity fuck. Done it now.

YABU from me too btw.

(why didn't we just do this yesterday?)

Awen - good parping

now for my effort

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ah - that is better

and yes Haychee YABU