School band playing Michael Jackson

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It’s been decided that the school band - a group of 11 year old boys - are going to play a Michael Jackson number at the next concert. School staff were involved in this decision.

AIBU or is this just massively inappropriate in the wake of the Leaving Neverland revelations?

@Dana28 Child molestation victims often lie in court to protect their abuser. Usually out of fear. So do domestic violence victims. It doesn't make that person a bad person. Stop being judgemental and look at WHY they lied. It doesn't make them any less victims, nor does it make the wife who 'fell down the stairs' any less a victim of beatings by her husband. You are engaging in victim blaming.

There story is not unravelling at all. You clearly haven't been keeping up.

Robson is a famous choreographer and songwriter who co-wrote Britney Spears songs and Nsync's songs. He has earned millions in royalties alone. He has no need for money. Safechuck owns an I.T company in California, his salary has 6 noughts after it. He also, has no need for money. Neither of them sought or received any payment at all, not even a cent, for the documentary. So that debunks that theory. www.facebook.com/waderobsonsupporters/photos/a.393420307438124/2097550693691735/?type=3&theater

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When you say "play", what exactly do you mean?

A brass/concert/wind band playing a piece (especially one of the Jackson 5 ones), or one of his being included in a medley probably wouldn't bother me at all. The same if it had been arranged in four-part harmony for a choir — in both cases you have arrangers/publishers who have also worked on it, and sets of music are expensive so I can see why a school would still use it.

If it's just one song, being sung with his styling I'd think it was an odd choice at the moment.

Can I ask , and apologies if it’s been mentioned before,
How do people feel about songs that sample MJ’s work? Should they be blacklisted too?
A boogie with a hoodie “Look back at it” is a current one,
SWV “Right Here” is frequentedly played on my local stations “old school” slot.
These songs use his work and celebrate it - should they be dropped now?

@namechangedmner I did a quick search for Safechuck's lawsuit being ripped apart by the film and found nothing. Can you please provide a link for where you heard this?

Roald Dahl wasn’t great but most primary’s celebrate Roald Dahl day. We can’t erase history. Gary Glitter was nowhere near as famous or successful as MJ so most children won’t have a clue who he is.

You post Jim Clemente who did tv shows - was given a job with the FBI because he is the younger sibling of someone who worked with them and successfully caught his abuser in a wire tap as the authority on everything FBI. Others also who work for the FBI have claimed differently around the MJ investigation

Safechucks lawsuit stated the date he is claiming to be abused in. Doesn't cover when the train station was built. But film shows a detailed story of abuse in this train station. With the wording of it implying was at the beginning "like a honeymoon period" was words JS used.

It really doesn't matter though - people who do actually research will come to their own conclusions. You're going to have to handle the fact plenty of CSA survivors do not agree with you. Claiming to be on our side but ignoring our concerns doesn't make you an authority on CSA. Stop pretending you are and know all.

On this thread I have clearly stated my problem is with this film and how it undermines JS and WR credibility IF they were abused.

YANBU

1. There is a difference when a criminal is alive and will be enriched by his / her art being sold.

1. There is a difference between Roald Dahl, who simply reflected the attitudes of his time, and MJ, who was committing serious crimes then that would be equally serious crimes now.

1. In any event, we always separate art from the artists, or we’d have next to no art left. Jimmy Saville left nothing of any lasting value, but MJ made some genuinely great music. Picasso was appalling to women, John Lennon abused his first wife, Wagner was an anti Semite, Henry Williamson joined the fascist party, etc etc.

Oh, I forgot. I never said Jim Climente is "as the authority on everything FBI". That is your extrapolation, just as you extrapolated that I said you weren't a CSA survivor. You have a habit of creating your own narrative to then counter argue. Rather than simply responding to facts.

I posted that information as a testimony of the main FBI agent involved in the Jackson case. That is all. So please leaving your extrapolating and desperate exaggerations out of it.

You posted links to your opinion. I posted Dan Reed himself on his own twitter confirming when the train station was built.

Anyone who wants to can go to Dan Reeds own twitter and find plenty of replies including JS declaration under oath plus clips of during the film him repeating his abuse ended in 92.

Dan moves the date. Problem being the rest of the film and the narrative of being cast aside for younger ones no longer fits and one of those is currently suing for that being implied in the film

Disgusting things like this along with Emmanuel Lewis having a photo photoshopped to look lewd with baby bottles and implying he's been abused are some of the tactics of those heavily invested in making the world believe MJ is guilty.

He might have been. The truth is what lots of survivors would appreciate being stuck to rather than sensationalism with details that are proven impossible

@LunaFort they may not have made money from the documentary but they are suing the mj estate for millions so had a clear Vested interest in doing the documentary .
They testified for Jackson as adults!! I would be interested to know if either of them have had a polygraph done?? I bet they haven't!!

Sorry Luna but I don't work for MN. I don't decide what gets deleted. Personal attacks are against talk guidelines however.

Luna I'm really not sure why you're so invested in suggesting I'm a crazed MJ Fan.

I'm not.

As such I have no need to argue all day long with you over this.

I've even bloody suggested people look at Dan Reeds own twitter to confirm what I have stated regarding the train station.

Now leave me alone.

Dana28 - polygraphs are unreliable junk science which is why they are inadmissible in the U.K.

I'll take that as a no they won't agree to one then!

It would prove nothing either way if they did, so what’s the point? It’s like saying look at a tarot card or horoscope.