In thinking a payslip is normal?

[caffeineplease]

Gave in bank details and NI number and was told monthly pay on 15th every month. Simple.
1st month payment seems higher than expected, stupid me does not mention it.
2nd month I scrupulously count every minute I work and yet again the payment was higher than expected.
I've just asked if they are paying me more than originally stated . But oh no it seems they are paying me cash in hand and I'm now liable for my tax etc
As I'm not staying long ( other posts) I need to clear this up so asked for a payslip... apparently they don't do those either!
Someone please tell me this isn't normal!

to the poster who wrote this , No No No , there are strict rules on who can be self employed .

The poster you were replying to was entirely correct pelirocco

Back to basics anyway - what's the most likely scenario?

1. OP is in the very small group of freelance, self-employed retail workers, despite what she's said on the thread giving evidence to the contrary.

1. OP's employers are on the fiddle and telling her that she's self-employed to avoid putting her through the books.

1. She's not self-employed at all and the reason she's getting more than she expected is because it's nearly the end of the tax year and she wasn't earning for the first 6 months so she's not used up her tax allowance.

Thank you all for your replies ! I'm really grateful.
I shall ring HMRC and explain, I have the emails between myself and the employer. I also have the original advert.
But I won't do this until I leave which is imminent.
I'm concerned that they are going to know it's me that has informed on them .
I'm also worried as I've told my FH that I'm earning slightly less than I am so I can put something away for leaving. So I'd HMRC contact me he may see it.

From 6th April it becomes mandatory for employers to issue itemised payslips which clearly show the number of hours worked etc due to a change in the law....

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/764576/payslips-legislation-april-2019-additional-info-on-payslips.pdf

Chartered Accountant here and a lot of advice you are being given is totally wrong.

Even if you are only providing a week or two of holiday cover in retail, your employer still has a responsibility to register you as an employee, file your payroll under HMRC's RTI system, deduct the correct amount of deductions from your wages and pay it across to HMRC.

I'm going to assume that you still have enough personal allowance left to cover your PAYE from what you said about taking time out this year. Your employer owes HMRC the employee's NIC which they should have deducted before paying you and their employer's NIC. It's their responsibility to work out how much is due and pay it across to HMRC. HMRC would only come to you to collect the unpaid employee's NIC in exceptional circumstances. Keep records of the hours you worked, the pay you received and any emails you have sent your employer asking about your tax and payslips.

If they cannot be trusted to employ you properly, they can't be trusted not to take advantage of you in other ways, such as paying you the correct wages at the correct time. Did you give them your P45, National Insurance number and show them your passport when they took you on? They have probably broken the law there as well.

My gut reaction would be to get paid up to date then run a mile, but I do appreciate that it isn't always easy to find another job at the right time and at the right wage. Good luck.

Definitely dodgy.

What is odd is that you have not been asked to provide an invoice for your 'self employment'. You have been paid direct into your account so your bank can trace which account the money came from or if it was cash

You say you haven't worked continuously this year so you might even have a refund due. Your allowance is £11,850 for the year ended 5th April 2019 so each month under PAYE your allowance is £987.50 and the allowances are cumulative unless you are on a month 1 basis. You can claim a refund if you have overpaid tax.

caffeineplease - I was watching your post with interest yesterday, have managed to speak with HMRC yet?
They should be able to see if they have submitted an RTI of your wages and see if tax/ni nave been deducted.
I am interested to see what they outcome is, as I did know one chap who complained to HMRC about not getting sick pay from his employer and wanted advice from them, one thing led to another, turns out they hadnt been paying his tax and NI for years. They were found to be commiting fraud and were prosecuted.
I'm not suggesting this is the case for you but it does make you wonder what they are actually doing as from your post I get the impression your employed but they are not fulfilling their obligations.

@quietcontentment
Thank you for your reply.
I'm going to ring HMRC but not until I leave ( real soon) as I don't want anything to come back on me from my employers.

Not read all replies, but
you are legally entitled to pay slips, except for casual work. With effect from April this year casual workers will also have a right to get a payslip.

Have you had a pay slip yet OP?

@CosmicVagina
No, it's my last day today. Was hoping to get another job before jumping especially as I have a lot going on personally but no payslip, more cctv, sexual remarks and illegal practices in this work place means that I can't stay a day longer.

HMRC are very helpful, just be 100% honest with them.

I had an issue just before Christmas and suddenly had a letter saying we owed several thousands. I thought there goes Christmas, but they've set up an easy payment plan and even set it to start after Christmas, as in their words they wouldn't want to ruin Christmas.