To Think Remainers Are Starting To Get Really Angry About Brexit?

[KennDodd]

I can feel the mood among Remainers, both IRL and online changing.

Right chaps, I’m off to bed. Hope the journalist/OP comes back to clear up a few things, if that’s what this was for. Toodle pip.

. I do wantt a better life for kids like mine, you're apparently so angry with me because I've fucked your kids over, what's the difference

Nah. You fucked your own kids over.

I’m angry with our politicians.
First of all for using a referendum as a way of trying to ease friction within the Tory party regarding Europe.
Angry with the lies people were fed by the leave camp. Angry with this almighty embarrassing shit storm they have created.
Angry with those in power including politicians profiting while public services crumble.
Concerned that the future of this country rests in the hands of this shower of absolute fu@kwits.

I'm fucking angry about the effects on NI and the GFA if there is no deal. I'm angry and scared that we have already had a car bomb in Derry and 5 incendiary devices in England and Scotland. This is just the beginning. I'm angry that ignorant people believed the lies of the leave campaign and didn't bother to find out any information for themselves to make a fully informed decision. A decision that would affect everyone for generations.
I'm mainly anxious now. Anxious about NI, anxious about medication and food for my family (4 of us on essential life long medication), anxious about what the future will hold. Praying things won't be as bad as feared.

Im a remainer, Northern, single stay at home mother of 3 and often-carer for my elderly mum.

Some people shouldn't be allowed to vote going off some of the comments on here. The ignorance is outstanding. Simply stunning. They should give out GCSEs and A levels in it. Many would get an A* and go on to degrees. I'm livid at those people who still can't see, despite all the evidence, that the leave vote has fucked over our country and its people. Bravo.

I don't want to hear another sodding Brexiter boast that they plan to get an Irish passport 😬

I do wantt a better life for kids like mine, you're apparently so angry with me because I've fucked your kids over, what's the difference

Ask them in 10 years time if they’re grateful for your cavalier approach to their future.

This thread really highlights why there is so much anger.

The posters stating they didn’t vote because it won’t have any impact on their lives are the worst. The level of ignorance involved is just astounding.

I'm not angry but i am shocked at the poor quality of mps we have in this country. At no point could they come together to put the best interests of the country first. It has alwys been a pissing contest from all parties with what the country needs coming only as an oops at the end.

The prties can work together, they proved that when lb, lib cons worked together at the end of the Scottish independence campaign, they couldn't be nicer to each other when they thought Scotland may go astray.

One thing this teaches us is that mps need to be acountable, we need greater expectations from them no more wishy washy work can be accepted.

On employment rights. Several of our employment rights do come from
Europe but are “gold plated” ie go above and beyond what Europe requires us to have in place as a minimum.

Like Data Protection, the thinking amongst others in my field is that we will need to have a basic standard of employment rights to trade with the EU.

I am not hugely concerned about employment rights post-brexit.

For the record i am a remainer.

I'm still angry and frustrated, and I've been angry and frustrated since 2016.

I'm angry that our government looked at the result of an advisory referendum and then instantly plunged the UK into an utterly shambolic and enormously expensive leaving process, rather than accepting that the country was broadly divided into 3 roughly equal groups (leave/ remain/ didn't or couldn't vote) and then undertaking some next steps which involved finding out what people actually wanted from the process.

I'm furious that even though the government's own lawyers admit that the referendum process broke electoral law, it cannot be overturned because it wasn't legally binding- yet this non-binding, fraudulently obtained result is being forced through.

I'm utterly frustrated by the Leave voters I speak to who blame the UK's failings on things that have nothing to do with the EU, such as immigration (UK Home Office incompetence is generally to blame for most of the complaints) or overcrowded hospitals (blame the government's austerity programme, and their ideological aim of privatising the NHS). The people who'd 'like to think that we'll be ok on our own', even though we've needed to make international political alliances for centuries, and when isolated by WW2 we couldn't even feed ourselves alone. Those who object to the EU's financial auditing and so want WTO rules, while having no clue how the WTO works or how it is even funded, let alone audited. Those who bang on about sovereignty while not understanding that we already have a sovereign Parliament, and even objecting when Parliament uses its sovereign powers to do something they disagree with. Those who whine on about 'taking are [sic] country back' , yet cannot specify exactly what the UK stands to gain.

I'm angry that people take for granted the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland, the access we have to the NHS and medicines, the fact that food is available (again, food banks are a UK issue, the need for them is not down to the EU.

And all this, for what? To resolve a spat between two over-privileged Old Etonians who both thought they should be in charge of the playground, and to save some billionaires from having their dodgy tax affairs investigated.

@Imperfectsusan totally agree.

I've also lost count of the ones who don't understand that they will also lose their free movement in Europe , and believe that Spain somehow needs them so they'll get to stay in their expat home.

Nigel Farage has such faith in a post-Brexit UK that he went out and got his own kids sorted with German passports.

@Inertia Excellent post. You've laid it all out, and its feels like compassion. Thank you for putting it so succinctly.

Our household has been fuming since the original referendum.
It’s an absolute bloody joke

I'm angry about it all.

I'm angry that Cameron thought it a great idea to hand over a decision with massive long term social, economic and political consequences to the general public.

I'm angry that the leave campaign lied and have faced zero consequences for that.

I'm angry that the remain campaign did fuck all to actually help people understand what the EU does for us.

I'm angry that Cameron didn't even have the guts to face the consequences of his actions.

I'm angry that Ireland have been treated like shit and their peace threatened.

I'm angry that businesses and jobs are being affected.

I'm angry that outspoken racism is increasing.

I'm angry that Europeans feel unwelcome.

I'm angry that medicines are being affected.

I'm angry that some areas of research will be fucked once EU grants stop, ditto farming.

I'm angry about how much money has been spent on this shit show.

I'm angry that it's dominance in headlines has allowed massive flaws in pip and UC systems to go virtually unchecked, plunging hundreds of families and disabled people into poverty.

I could go on but you get the idea.

Justmyworldview. I’m sorry your parents couldn’t help you with education (not the fault of the EU or UK government) and your dad got in with a bad crowd and didn’t work (not the fault of the EU or the UK government) but none of that should’ve stopped you from trying your best in school.

I know this because although I’m not going to list it all out, my situation was worse. For example neither of my parents left school with qualifications but they encouraged me to work hard because didn’t want me to struggle like they did (they didn’t need the EU or UK government to tell them that).

Also you definitely don’t need a desk at home to study/read. I didn’t have one. If you don’t have a desk at home, are you going to tell your kids not to bother reading?

I know people from school who didn’t take education seriously, couldn’t wait to leave, moved out of home as soon as they could, got into unsuitable relationships, had kids they couldn’t afford etc. Later they would try and tell me none of it was their fault and I was ‘lucky’. Lucky because I battled my way into a former poly, saved like mad from my first job to buy a studio flat in a rundown area and waited until marriage and mid-30s before becoming a parent (DM was a teen mum). But yes this was all luck and the fact I’m in the south.

Dark, it wasn’t me that brought up north vs south. I just pointed out not all of the south is rich and not all the north is poor. This doesn’t fit the narrative yourself and Just were trying to use as an excuse to bash the south and say it deserves northern levels of poverty so now you’re backpedaling and claiming that I’m engaging in competitive hardship. Everyone can read the full thread and see the post where Just says she voted Leave to damage the south and the post where you said you agreed.

You both voted out of spite to make things harder for everyone including yourselves.

Right now I’ve got to get ready to go to work.

My MP would have voted against it I expect but they couldn't vote in it this time. I think she's got the right idea given that I'm in favour of remaining.

TM must be stressed beyond belief to be doing all this for something she apparently doesn't believe in.

Inertia and Grundtal sum it up for me.

Yes I am angry when I see the absolute wreck these greedy people have made of our country just so they can avoid their taxes and make even more money for themselves.

They should be prosecuted and their funds confiscated to pay for it. They're quick enough to sanction those on benefits.

I think the anger we feel now is nothing compared to what we will feel when we crash out with no deal and Leave voters are celebrating this (for a very short time). I think Leave voters will then be angry as well. They'll blame the EU, Remainers, TM, business they'll blame anything except Brexit and the lying, racist, cheating people who promoted it. I fear we are in serious trouble as a nation and it's only going to get worse because of DC and his wretched Tory referendum.

Here you go, do something about it.

www.peoples-vote.uk/march

Well look at this in response to a petition. Not the usual 'people have spoken' bollox.

“Revoke Art.50 if there is no Brexit plan by the 25 of February”

E-petition 239706 relating to leaving the European Union
Published Thursday, March 7, 2019
A debate will be held in Westminster Hall on Monday 11 March 2019 at 4.30pm on e-petition 239706 relating to leaving the European Union. The Member leading the debate is Daniel Zeichner MP.

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With the UK due to the leave the EU on 29 March 2019, the Withdrawal Agreement (WA) agreed by the UK Government and EU in November 2018 has yet to be approved by the House of Commons. Since the House of Commons rejected the WA on 15 January 2019, there have been a series of Government statements and votes in the House of Commons on the Government’s Brexit strategy.

The Government has engaged in further negotiations with the EU on the WA, in order to obtain changes to the most contentious element of the WA, the Northern Ireland/Ireland backstop, that would be acceptable to a majority in the House of Commons. EU leaders have however stated repeatedly that they are unwilling to re-open renegotiations on the WA, but would consider making changes to the Political Declaration on the future UK-EU relationship. Talks are ongoing with the EU to discuss possible new text that could provide reassurances over the backstop alongside the WA.

On 26 February the Prime Minister committed to holding a vote in the House of Commons on 13 March on leaving the EU without a deal and, if this proposition is rejected, a further vote on 14 March on seeking an extension to the Article 50 period in order to delay the UK’s departure from the EU. This would occur if a second “meaningful vote” on the WA, scheduled for 12 March, results in another defeat for the Government.

The EU Court of Justice has ruled that the UK could choose to revoke its Article 50 notice unilaterally. The Government firmly rejects doing this. The most likely route leading to an Article 50 revocation would be if another referendum on Brexit was held, with an option to remain in the EU. Another referendum is proposed by the People’s Vote campaign, supported by a cross-party group including a small number of Conservative MPs.

I am still incredulous really. I just can’t believe how we are this close and there is no plan, no idea, no ability to negotiate properly, that there was never any plan of action.

I'm angry that so much time, energy and political will has been spent on Brexit when all our public services are going to hell in a handcart.

While people have been distracted by Brexit, we've seen shocking rises in homelessness, council services have been decimated, schools are struggling to meet their basic costs, benefits no longer provide an effective safety net, and no-one's talking about anything but Brexit.

If the whole bloody Brexit idea was a "look over there" exercise so that the government could get away with reducing our welfare state to 1950s levels, it really worked.

But it was all Cameron's attempt to innoculate his party against UKIP, and when it went tits up he ran away to write his memoirs.

Imo the most unethical, disloyal and contemptuous thing any government can do is to put party before country. It's a real breach of trust.

I just wish there was a guaranteed way that Brexit voters, especially those that never shut up about it, are the ones to suffer once we leave. Sadly, we will all suffer the effects.
I'm angry that so many people of my generation do not give a shit about the young people in this country and expect them to have the same mindset of people who were born just after the war.
It's a different world ffs!

The only way out is to hang Cameron out to dry - say the whole thing is totally unattainable, that the brexiteers all lied to satisfy their own political ambitions, apologise profusely.

I never vote because none of it ever affects me. I’m a low earner, in a rented property, with a normal life. People like me are either overlooked or shit on so I’ve never bothered.

You're exactly the sort of person who should be voting. You're on low pay because of high levels of income inequality in the UK and you're probably paying private rent because councils can't invest in social housing.

If you're overlooked and shat on it's because we've had a succession of governments that haven't given a toss about people like you.

And being skint and not having a secure home isn't "normal". It's a shocking indictment of the kind of society we've become that you see it way, tbh.

I'm feeling despair as well as well as anger now. I feel like screaming every time a politician mentions "the will of the British people" as if we all want brexit to happen and it has nothing to do with them. I'm incredulous that this whole shitshow has happened and that our politicians are so incompetent. I am also very very worried that I will not be able to get the medicines I need to survive if we have a No Deal brexit. I think that the majority of people who still want to leave are either thick or they just are the type of person who never admits they were wrong. Either that or they are like the politicians who promoted brexit while making sure that they will not have to live with the consequences.