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To think horse racing is cruel?

181 replies

alwaysncxx · 12/03/2019 17:53

Got very upset watching some of the horses fall today at Cheltenham Sad

I can't help but feel sad when it happens.

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ijustneedagoodshake · 12/03/2019 19:46

What did you do?

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 12/03/2019 19:47

Best stop horse riding too because some people ride and those kind of paces and show jumping, don't forget crufts too for forcing dogs to do things

Hmm
Maneandfeathers · 12/03/2019 19:47

@Intohellbutstayingstrong dare I ask what does happen to those who won’t race? Also are they broken in the same way as a normal riding horse?

We have a few ex racers here, all picked up for less than £500 from a racehorse ‘rehoming’ centre. I presume the rest are just disposed of?

wheresthehope · 12/03/2019 19:49

I have seen worse treatment of children, circus animals and all animals in some overseas counties

MirrorSmirror · 12/03/2019 19:52

As someone who owns two rescue ponies who were left to starve because they were useless, I find it hard to get worked up over an animal who gets fed and looked after so well. They might have a risk of injury but if this happens they are generally dispatched quickly and humanely. Even the bad and old ones get humanely put down. We have quite a large number of horses near me tethered beside the road and flogged down the dual carriageway in sulky races. This is a real horse welfare problem.

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 12/03/2019 19:53

@Mane
Put down
Trickle down to back end sales
Many end up in UK slaughter houses (pet food) or on long journeys to European slaughter houses
The lucky ones ROR

The whole global racing industry is shit.
The USA is even worse.
They have suspended racing at Santa Anita indefinitely because of the number of fatalities
I cant believe I was so fucking stupid and blinkered to it all for so long

Banksy13 · 12/03/2019 19:54

@MirrorSmirror absolutely with you on this one. Those horses used in sulky racing can have serious welfare concerns, at least horse racing is regulated.

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 12/03/2019 19:55

@Mirror. You ok with this then?

Just because other horses are having a worse time doesnt make it right does it. How odd.

azulmariposa · 12/03/2019 19:58

I've been thrown enough times by horses to know you cannot make them do something if they aren't willing. You can ask, you can fight, but if they fight back they will win every time.

Exactly.

If a horse doesn't want to do something, it just won't do it. And you'd be thrown and possibly trampled if it didn't want you on its back.

MirrorSmirror · 12/03/2019 19:59

I have no problem with it. There are worse things than living a good life, getting injured and meeting oblivion almost immediately.

LaBelleSauvage · 12/03/2019 19:59

We have horses. They get really excited about racing and cross country. They love it.

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 12/03/2019 20:01

If a horse doesn't want to do something, it just won't do it

Right. So what the fuck do you think happens tom those horses who refuse to race?

@Mirror Speaks volumes about you as a person I guess if you see nothing wrong with all of those young animals killed in the name of sport and entertainment.

Brilliantidiot · 12/03/2019 20:01

Been around horses in one way and another all my life and I do have reservations about racing. And indeed some other equestrian sports. Racing life is about as far away from a natural life for a horse as possible, because they need to be in tip top condition and uninjured. Horses are ridiculous at injuring themselves in the most mundane of situations, so highly strung racing tbs are even worse! They're usually kept in a lot and not allowed turn out in a herd environment, and are fed diets which help them perform to the best of their ability but I don't think do their incredibly sensitive gut any good at all. They usually are kept to the highest stable standards though, expensive bedding and rugs to keep them warm, massage, heat lamps etc - and yes, welfare standards are high for racing and other professional equestrian sports - a poorly looked after horse will not perform well.
They are usually destroyed on breaking a limb, but this is true of most horses breaking limbs, and it happens as I've said in the most mundane of circumstances, I've known several get into Argy bargy at the gate all wanting to be in first and get kicked, panic and get injuries, start playing on a spring day with each other and fall or get kicked, all these horses were PTS as it was the kindest thing to do - horses suffer a lot being kept still for months on end so a limb can heal, they often stop eating and drinking, pain relief can be an issue, I have known 2 that could have restricted movement that recovered and lived as pets after breaks, some owners and vets tried to only have the horse destroyed a week or so down the line, others did it there and then. It's normally the vet that ultimately makes the decision as such, they know what the likely outcome will be from the type of injury.
I think many horses are broken in too early, but racehorses definitely so. And there is a difference between starting and breaking a horse. The ones I've helped with have been started, not broken. I don't like that term at all.
My other concern is how retired racehorses are given away, people don't realise the specialist care any horse needs, and times that by a hundred for a racehorse. I've nigh on 40 years experience and I wouldn't try and retrain one. But they're taken on by people who've had half a dozen lessons and think they know what they're doing - disasterous. The trainer's and owners need to be more accountable.
There are many other acts of cruelty in the horse world that sadly don't get as much publicity, Google Rollkur in dressage. Truly horrible.
Another thing is horses being tethered and fly grazed, another horrible practice. These horses aren't even getting the basics in life.
There's also an equine obesity problem, over feeding, over rugging, keeping horses in because the owner doesn't want them to get dirty.
The horse world has changed massively in the last 40 years, some wonderful advancements that help, some awful practices that harm.

ijustneedagoodshake · 12/03/2019 20:01

How do they get Excited though? I have no experience of horses.

How can you tell they are excited not nervous?

ILoveMaxiBondi · 12/03/2019 20:03

This is a real horse welfare problem

No. both are a real horse welfare problem. One being worse does not mean the other isn’t also a problem.

MirrorSmirror · 12/03/2019 20:05

But in the real world there are only so many resources that can be directed to horse welfare. Concentrating on racing is a waste of them.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 12/03/2019 20:05

If a horse doesn't want to do something, it just won't do it

Bollocks. Instil enough fear in any animal and it will submit. Same with humans.

QuestionableMouse · 12/03/2019 20:05

@JessicaWakefieldSVH I have many times and if it's done properly, there's nothing grim about it. It's no different to training a puppy to wear a collar and walk on a lead.

MirrorSmirror · 12/03/2019 20:07

You can see the difference between excited and nervous. Like you could with a dog etc if you were familiar with them.

LaBelleSauvage · 12/03/2019 20:07

The same way a dog owner can tell if their pet is scared or excited/ happy, I can tell if my horses are scared or excited and happy.

Body language, facial expression, ear position

ILoveMaxiBondi · 12/03/2019 20:07

But in the real world there are only so many resources that can be directed to horse welfare. Concentrating on racing is a waste of them.

OP isn’t asking anyone to divert resources. She’s asking if it’s cruel. Which it is.

MirrorSmirror · 12/03/2019 20:08

Well that's that then I suppose. Discussion over.

QuestionableMouse · 12/03/2019 20:10

If you want to get offended about something, take a look at the scraggy little ponies who are only breed to go to slaughter and live pretty miserable lives.

Or the ones that are flogged up and down the roads with no regards to their welfare and dumped if/when they break down.

puppymouse · 12/03/2019 20:10

As someone who owns an ex racehorse I loathe racing. It encourages the horse to use itself in a way that damages its body indefinitely, ruins their feet, breaks them in too fast/too young, pushes them beyond their physical limitations (to a point where they fall or worse) and there are some more hidden practices, like wind ops that I can't even verbalise how I feel about.

Having said all that:

I know people who groom in the industry and they absolutely love the horses they exercise and look after, like their own. The horses do it because it's their job and they don't know any different.

If horses didn't work, most people wouldn't own them and they would face the hardships surviving in the wild would bring. Nature itself is pretty tough. And we can't save all horses from this kind of life.

My horse had about 5 owners up until age 13 and was consistently broken by being asked to do work he wasn't strong enough to do and it has had a permanent impact on his body. He has a heart of gold and will do anything I ask which means you can't always tell if it hurts until it's too late. They're amazing animals.

Sorry totally biased and unhelpful post Sad

LaBelleSauvage · 12/03/2019 20:11

ILoveMaxBondi haha if ours are not happy they are pretty clear about it. If they don't trust the rider they will be having none of it and wont go Grin

I assume you haven't spent much time around horses

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