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To think horse racing is cruel?

181 replies

alwaysncxx · 12/03/2019 17:53

Got very upset watching some of the horses fall today at Cheltenham Sad

I can't help but feel sad when it happens.

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JessicaWakefieldSVH · 12/03/2019 18:58

Throughout farms in NZ. Horses intended for horse racing, are broken in too early on top of that. The fact is, breaking in is designed to force animals to submit for the purpose of human use, when its for sport, it is unnecessary and by definition, cruel. And I’m not trusting someone who does it for a living to be impartial.

Maneandfeathers · 12/03/2019 19:04

You haven’t met my latest horse. I have to ask her politely to do something, if I had the audacity to whip her I assure you she wouldn’t run (probably break my neck instead!)
She does however run because she loves it. Every time her little hooves hit the grass she is bouncing ready to go.

@MyBreadIsEggy awful isn’t it. I’ve seen horses slip in the field and break legs, one break it’s skull falling over on a bit of wet concrete. Out of 10 on our yard 7 are lame or injured. Nature of the game I suppose.

@alwaysncxx in a normal ridden horse it would usually start about age 2-3 with some basic work on the ground (no riding until 4 for me) I work on getting them used to wearing tack and being comfortable in that, learning voice commands that can later be used when ridden to teach the different aids (so for example to trot, canter and stop!)
My baby horses are exposed to lots of new things, walked out on roads to see traffic and people and also build confidence in the handler. I also work with them in the arena so they learn the commands and to find their own strength and balance first without being ridden. After that I slowly start to lean over them, get on for short periods and then start to teach them the physical aids alongside my voice until they can connect the two and then go from there. My youngest is 7 and only starting to mature mentally now.

A well trained horse needs to be brave, confident and trust the rider. None of this can be achieved by force or bullying and it takes years of training and building strength and muscle to get a good ridden horse. Most top level horses are early teens!
I’ve never seen anyone jump on an unhandled horse and let it bronc to submission although I suppose some idiots probably still do it.

So yes, racing wise I don’t like seeing babies ran so young while the bones and brains are still so underdeveloped. Most thoroughbreds are broken my mid teens and lots of them have ulcers and other problems caused by not being able to be babies long enough iMO.

bridgetreilly · 12/03/2019 19:05

There is SO much misinformation on this thread it's unbelievable.

Horses are not 'whipped to make them run'. Yes, jockeys carry whips. They use them to steer and sometimes to make the horse concentrate. Mostly they brandish without hitting. And if a jockey does use the whip, there are strictly enforced limits. Jockeys are suspended for excessive use of the whip. Excessive means 7 times (flat) and 8 times (jumps). But if a horse has stopped running, refused to take a fence, or refused to start, no jockey is going to use their whip to try and get them going. That's pointless.

longearedbat · 12/03/2019 19:07

@jessicaWakefieldSVH are you suggesting that horses shouldn't be ridden at all because you perceive it to be cruel?

cariadlet · 12/03/2019 19:08

don't forget crufts too for forcing dogs to do things

I'd happily ban Crufts. I do like to watch dogs doing agility activities eg at summer fetes - it looks great fun for them - but Crufts is a showcase for the Kennel Club which values the "right looking" dog over the healthy dog. So many breeds suffer unnecessary health problems due to the way that they have been designed to look.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 12/03/2019 19:09

Come here and ill let you ride mine, see how easy he is to force. grin This is a horse that will attempt to throw any rider that doesn't ask him nicely enough on his terms. Or please, try and get him in a trailer. It will give me hours of entertainment watching. And him for that matter.

Because, I assume, you aren’t abusive in your methods! If you decided to employ some more unpleasant tactics you would end up with an obliging horse, but I assume you’re nice and actually care about him so won’t ever do that.

bridgetreilly · 12/03/2019 19:10

The things is, horses living in the wild suffer. They run and jump and sometimes break their legs and then die long, slow agonising deaths because they can't stand up to feed, and their internal organs don't work lying down and so on. They eat poisonous plants or they can't find enough food or they are attacked by predators or they just get old and that's slow and painful too.

Life is cruel. Wildlife is particularly cruel. Life in a racing stable (especially for the older jumps horses that you'll have seen at Cheltenham) is about as coddled as it's possible for a horse to be.

ijustneedagoodshake · 12/03/2019 19:15

I'm not being goady here at all but how do people know either way if the horses
Do enjoy it or not?

ILoveMaxiBondi · 12/03/2019 19:15

And if a jockey does use the whip, there are strictly enforced limits. Jockeys are suspended for excessive use of the whip. Excessive means 7 times (flat) and 8 times (jumps).

Why?

alwaysncxx · 12/03/2019 19:17

@ijustneedagoodshake we don't, but I doubt they enjoy broken legs and other serious injuries falling over fences that are ridiculously high ending in euthanasia

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ijustneedagoodshake · 12/03/2019 19:22

Good point. I'm asking because my daughter just started riding lessons.

I posted ages ago about taking her to Disneyland and swimming with dolphins. I was totally uneducated about it. We
Are not doing that ever after reading the posts on here.

I just wondered about horse riding.

Is it good for the horses.
Do they enjoy it.

Totally get it's not the same
Thing at all but it's good to hear other views about things i know nothing about.

bridgetreilly · 12/03/2019 19:24

I'm not being goady here at all but how do people know either way if the horses do enjoy it or not?

Well, one thing we often see is horses who have unseated their riders continuing to run round and jump fences and do the whole race without anyone making them. Plus it's what horses do in the wild - run together in packs.

Banksy13 · 12/03/2019 19:24

If someone is a genuine long time vegan (not just jumped on yesterday's bandwagon) who's never ridden a horse then from your perspective racing is cruel and I accept that. However I can't accept meat eaters who ride cobs at the weekend saying it's cruel. It all depends where you're coming from!

Reaa · 12/03/2019 19:31

People die running marathons, people break bones doing sports for our entertainment.

It's just illegal in this country to euthanise a human.

NutElla5x · 12/03/2019 19:31

I personally don't believe animals should be used for our entertainment at all ever (including crufts),and that if there's money involved you can bet your arse that in most cases that that comes before the welfare of any animal used. Plus it's bullshit to say that you can't force a horse to do something against it's will because it's bigger than you Hmm

catinboots99 · 12/03/2019 19:37

Are you against all working animals OP? Sheepdogs? Riding school horses? Sniffer dogs?

catinboots99 · 12/03/2019 19:38

@JessicaWakefieldSVH sorry you've had a bad experience seeing horses been broken in but I assure you it being 'grim' is not the norm

alwaysncxx · 12/03/2019 19:40

@catinboots99 that's quite a bit different Confused they're not used for entertainment and lets be honest the conditions are not the same.

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DoneLikeAKipper · 12/03/2019 19:41

It's big enough and strong enough to refuse.

Doesn’t mean a thing. Elephants are even bigger and stronger, but are still broken by cruel humans so other asshole humans can ride them or wash them for some stupid photo.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 12/03/2019 19:41

People die running marathons, people break bones doing sports for our entertainment.

People have a choice. They aren’t bred for it, kept in a stable and given zero say in whether they risk their health and lives.

villainousbroodmare · 12/03/2019 19:41

Racehorses have better lives than most people in the world.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 12/03/2019 19:43

Went to a circus as a child once. Front row seat. Cried my eyes out at the gorgeous elephant being stabbed in his elbow with what resembled a kebab skewer to make him lift his leg or crouch on his knees. Horrific.

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 12/03/2019 19:43

If a horse doesn't want to race, it doesn't. It's big enough and strong enough to refuse

Racehorses have better lives than most people in the world

Oh FFS. Those old chestnuts. What do you think happens to those horses that refuse to race?

YANBU
I spent many years working in the racing industry. It's hideous.

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 12/03/2019 19:45

Take a look here

No animals should die in the name of entertainment

SparklesAndUnicorns · 12/03/2019 19:46

I agree, animals shouldn't be used for entertainment and pushed so hard. I hate hearing about the horses that have had to be put down due to race injuries. Yes horses love to run but surely that means in an open field with their own free will and not in such a pressurised, competitive environment.

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