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That instrumental delivery should be banned?

411 replies

PineapplePower · 12/03/2019 09:19

I know it’s the DM but this is shocking:

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6797199/As-doctors-midwives-finally-act-searing-expos-childbirths-shameful-secret.html

They say 10 percent of mums suffer from some sort of anal incontinence! Claims forceps are the biggest cause so why are they still used? AIBU to say they should be banned? Why couldn’t you just get a C-sec at that point?

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pallisers · 15/03/2019 23:54

Dear God you determine your opinions from the daily mail, GO AWAY.

Dear God you are incapable of reading a thread, GO AWAY

TurquoiseDress · 16/03/2019 00:28

After reading that article, I feel very sorry for the women's awful experiences

Then I feel eternally grateful to have been able to give birth to both my children via c-section for maternal request

PineapplePower · 16/03/2019 07:36

Dear God you determine your opinions from the daily mail, GO AWAY

Did you even read the article?

That woman’s experience deserves to be heard and thoughtfully discussed. How dare you dismiss it because you don’t like the source.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 16/03/2019 11:59

Dear God you determine your opinions from the daily mail, GO AWAY

I doubt anyone on here determines their opinion from a single source, what an odd thing to say...

But can you describe exactly what is wrong with this specific article? - is the data incorrect? Is the interpretation of the data incorrect? Is there a political slant you disagree with in this specific article. ?

I ask because I don’t like being told what I can’t read, and I read across the political spectrum. And because this is an issue that’s close to my heart, and I think it’s a good article

CheshireChat · 17/03/2019 14:14

Even if you don't like the source, there's been endless threads on here discussing exactly this, not to mention a MN campaign.

I also wonder if there's any aspects of male healthcare where they're routinely patronised to this extent. I sincerely hope not.

nanof7 · 18/03/2019 11:14

It is worth adding here that childbirth is 'naturally' a hazardous thing for women to go through - it always has been and will always continue to be. The way women write it seems that midwives and obstetricians are often portrayed as our enemies and are all incompetent - which is unfair and it just isn't true. I rarely read anything good about the birthing process, or about midwives or about Doctors. Delivery of babies is safer than it has ever been and midwives and obstetricians are human so there must inevitably be negative experiences, but generally they are committed to the safety of the mother and baby. It is very easy for people to criticise in hindsight and those giving opinions on complex medical conditions and difficult decisions which have to be made under difficult, stressed circumstances are irritating. The biggest cause of maternal death in countries with poor health care facilities and, in the past, even in current 1st world countries, is and was childbirth. I just wonder if incontinence, prolapse, awful vaginal tears, maternal or fetal death etc which, like or not, happen and have always happened - that we hear about often, is because of wider communication networks and negative experiences (as opposed to good or Ok experiences), will always - understandably, shout the loudest and be heard the most. These traumas, even with good planning, have always been the possible result of childbirth. Imagine what Queen Victoria's genital regions would have been like after so many childbirths. However, in the past, the detail of these experiences were never/rarely spoken or written about - just like many, many other women's and young girl's important experiences (e.g.childhood labour, service working, prostitution, FGM, breast ironing, childhood brides, rape and many others). The very personal and emotional experience of anybody's child birthing experience must never be negated; what I am saying is that childbirth is painful, (generally), traumatic (often) and we are in a country with good health care facilities (generally - despite what people think), so avoiding many of the traumatic experiences and consequences of a 'naturally' traumatic and 'naturally' hazardous human experience can only ever be limited but never eliminated. Any midwives or obstetricians to send an informed opinion about this please?

CheshireChat · 18/03/2019 13:31

nanof7 absolutely true, but the vaginal birth is a must ideology is actively harmful as they're trying to keep their stats 'good' at the expense of women and their babies.

'As long as the baby is ok' attitude simply isn't good enough.

sar302 · 18/03/2019 14:32

@nanof7 I've had the opposite experience. Not on this thread, but on many others, I've read and heard many more accounts of wonderful births. To the point where I occasionally get jealous. One of my friends has just text me to say her second will be and at home water birth (because the first one went so well), and she's thrilled.

I think it's important for women who have experienced trauma to be able to share it. And sometimes it is the fault of the professionals. And sometimes it is the fault of the overall wider system - vaginal births being pushed as "the best", staff cuts, underfunding etc. I was in labour for 52 hours and as such went through several shift changes. I had some excellent midwives, and one that wasn't great. I had a shit team of doctors, and another team who really helped. Part of my problem was baby in the wrong position, which none of the health professionals could have done anything about.

Injuries have always happened, and of course in the grand scheme of things, birth has got safer. But that's not much consolation in the 21st century, if you shit your pants every time you sneeze. And we're still pretending it doesn't happen, and discouraging women from talking about their vaginas and their injuries.

We should keep talking.

CheshireChat · 18/03/2019 14:51

And the NHS has set aside a fortune to pay for their mistakes surrounding births as some are avoidable.

Around the time my son was a newborn, my local hospital was found guilty of mistakes leading to the death of an infant- the family was awarded either £20k or £25k...

OutwithMyRemit · 18/03/2019 15:38

The way women write it seems that midwives and obstetricians are often portrayed as our enemies and are all incompetent - which is unfair and it just isn't true

I agree. I know a lot of, for want of a better phrase, "natural health advocates", all of whom are pro home birth and several of which have "freebirthed" and to listen to them Drs and midwives just intervene for the help of it/their own sick pleasure. I can't understand their wilful ignorance of the realities of outcomes for women and babies in countries where "freebirth" is the standard.

greenelephantscarf · 18/03/2019 17:25

The way women write it seems that midwives and obstetricians are often portrayed as our enemies and are all incompetent - which is unfair and it just isn't true

it's hard to not get that impression when fobbed off when most vulnerable, when communication is one sided, when informed consent is not sought.

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