To think that you don't walk into a vegan cafe with a Mcdonald's burger in your hand

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Had a lovely lunch yesterday at a bar that sells outstandingly good vegan food (I'm not vegan, but the food is insanely good).

As we were walking out DD asked if I had seen a family walk in with one of the children holding a Mcdonald's burger in their hand.

a) It is rude to bring your own food into a café anyway
b) It is breathtakingly rude to bring meat into a vegan café!

This place sells the most amazing chips, so they could easily have bought this child the chips instead of a McDonald's.

Pinkyyy How do they know whether passers by are meat eaters or not?

Yes it was real fur OP, I know it's not for everyone

It's a bit thoughtless, but hilarious! 😂

@ScreamingValenta they ask people

I’m with you, OP. Vegans have very few choices of places to eat, meat eaters have plenty. It was rude and disrespectful on many levels. One child’s food fads don’t trump the ethical choices of the clientele of an establishment set up to cater for them. If you want to eat meat, go somewhere with it on the menu.

I’m a meat eater.

Vegans are happy to walk into supermarkets/cafes etc spewing their anti meat anti dairy crap so yeah rock on bringing McDonald’s in to the vegan cafe!!.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that this particularly vegan has ever been involved in an aggressive vegan protest.

It is disrespectful to bring food of any sort into an establishment selling food. Is it extra disrespectful to bring meat to a vegan restaurant? Yes, it is.

If the vegan place didn't want meat being brought into the restaurant they should put signs up to say that. No Meat or Animal products allowed in here
That's very ambiguous signage though. People with any kind of leather about their person not allowed in? People with five and ten pound notes (animal fat in the polymer) and phones (same) and a million other things not allowed in?
A steaming burger fair enough I agree, but you can't ban people from having animal products with them.

Signs? Why? Surely the clue’s in vegan cafe.

I bet people in there were wearing leather shoes and belts. Hypocrisy at its finest

Honestly, where did you pull that left-field assumption from?

If they're vegans, they won't be wearing leather...

If the choice was family go to vegan bar and enjoy a meal out and spend £££s while providing McD to keep the malcontent happy OR not go into the vegan bar I think most bar owners would be fairly pragmatic. If I am spending upwards of £20 per head for adults then I see no problem with bringing a placating morsel for accompanying small DC.

(However if the McD eater was driving away other custom then that may be a different matter. Them sitting moaning while their parents ate may have an even more detrimental effect and then the McD is a positive benefit).

I will reiterate yet again for those who CBA to read the thread.

I am NOT a vegan

Yes, I wear leather shoes. No, not everyone who eats at this place is vegan. You don't have to be vegan to enjoy excellent vegan food. I enjoy food. Full stop. It can be vegan, vegetarian, contain fish or meat. I just eat things I enjoy.

(Sadly, it is beginning to show)

If I am spending upwards of £20 per head for adults then I see no problem with bringing a placating morsel for accompanying small DC.

‘A placating morsel’ equals... a burger. 😂😂

I know vegans who wear leather. Their veganism is healthy eating rather than ethics driven.

The prices are very reasonable. I would struggle to eat £20 worth of food there. This isn't in London.

I know vegans who wear leather. Their veganism is healthy eating rather than ethics driven.

Within the vegan community, this would normally be referred to as a plant-based diet, which encompasses people who don't eat animal products but will wear leather, fur, use cosmetics tested on animals, etc. The actual definition of veganism doesn't allow for this ("as far as is reasonably practicible", anyway - there's always fringe exceptions, but veganism itself is more of a belief/lifestyle than a diet).

As its a bar and not a cafe, I don't think it's a problem. All the bars locally allow people to take takeaways in. One of them even organises a bulk phone in order for their customers.

If it was actually a cafe, my answer would be different.

Why do people kick up when they eat out and the establishment don’t have vegan options but a vegan cafe isn’t expected to have a meat option?

I have never seen anyone kick up a fuss because a restaurant doesn't have a vegan option personally. Then again I've never been to a restaurant that doesn't have at least one vegan option or a dish that can easily be veganised. Even Nandos have lots of dishes that can easily be made vegan. It is 2019 after all...

I imagine the reason why vegan restaurants don't offer meat is because it will no longer be a vegan restaurant.

It is more of a bar where people go to eat during the day rather than go for a drink. It isn't near anywhere else so it is more of a specific destination. It becomes more of a drinking place in the evening.

YADNBU. Who the hell brings a Mcdonalds burger into any cafe? If the only way to get your child to stay quiet is to give them a mcdonalds burger then the family just have to eat in McDonald's.

I'm in my mid-forties and have eaten meat all my life - I've never once been abused by a vegan, or even had a vegan attempt to dissuade me in a civil way from eating meat.

Also this.

I ate meat, dairy and eggs for the first 27 years of my life and not once did any vegan try to push their beliefs on me.

Now I'm a recently converted vegan and tbh the majority of the people I know have absolutely no idea because I don't feel the need to announce it. Obviously my DP knows and I told my parents and sister so they wouldn't give me non vegan gifts for my birthday and Christmas but other than that nobody would know that I have made the switch to a vegan lifestyle.

I do smile a little when people claim that vegans always go around announcing their vegan. It doesn't seem to occur to these people that they only know they are vegan precisely because they announce it. They always seem to forget that if a vegan doesn't announce they're vegan then chances are they won't even know they are. So how can they possibly claim that all vegans do this?

I hate the stupidity evoked by meat eaters (and I am a meat eater) when vegans or vegetarians are mentioned. I love meat but I don't have to consume it with every meal. Why on earth would I demand a meat option every single place I go?

Vegans are happy to walk into supermarkets/cafes etc spewing their anti meat anti dairy crap so yeah rock on bringing McDonald’s in to the vegan cafe!!.

Not all vegans do this. I certainly don't. I just want to eat my meal and live my life in peace. I am not responsible for the actions of others nor should I be punished for it.

I have a 14 year old who is currently being assessed for asd. He has an incredibly limited diet and sensory issues. Eating out can be difficult for us at times. I am guilty of getting him a burger occasionally when we have eaten elsewhere. It's difficult to explain but it is more challenging to deal with than just fussy eating.

This was probably not the case in this situation but you never know. sometimes people are not deliberately being rude or difficult.

That’s fine @Punx, but would you then choose to eat in a vegan establishment?

It's incredibly rude to take your own food into a cafe other than some prepared baby food. Whether it's meat or not isn't the issue,.