AIBU or is this a MAJOR safeguarding issue?

[Whatthefudgeisthis]

NC for this,

I’ve been absolutely stunned at the ignorance shown by the organisers with this one! A naturist night at the water park 😱 this place is designed for kids entertainment, it’s basically loads of water slides a wave pool and play area etc
Who in their right mind would take a child to such an event. Obviously I’m not shooting down naturists, each to their own, but this is an event that ANYONE can attend. Known paedophiles have attended these events, with one saying that he can’t even swim. What the actual fuck is going on? Who thought this one up?
If adults want to swim naked that’s their call, but why open the event to children too?

I’m pretty sure I’m not the one missing the blindingly obvious here, but I’m so amazed at the stupidity I had to share and maybe raise some awareness.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/whats-on/family-nude-swimming-session-coming-2589946

These events are being held across the country, so there’s possibly one near you.

Yes it does, mine did.

Getting children used to adults taking their clothes off only makes them more susceptible to abuse behind closed doors.

Of course we shouldn’t ban doors - they serve an important function, just as we shouldn’t ban cars just because people die in traffic collisions. What is the important function of a naked family swimming event?

Try reporting it to social services. See if they can put the phone down before they start laughing. Scrub your mind out, it's filthy.

I was answering your question. Don't ask questions if you don't want people to answer.

What is the function of the Catholic church? Making children beleive in a magic man in the sky is surely a form of abuse as it perpetuates the myth of a higher being you have to obey and a man on earth (the priest) with unquestionable power?

It's a classic grooming tactic. Normalise things to the point the child no longer feels uncomfortable. So it's obvious some children will be put at risk if normalising nudity outside the family context means their sense of what's ok and what isn't is broken down.

Why does that need pointing out? . Why are people ok with this possibility? If even one child is put at risk it's one child too many.

children for whom adult nudity is normalised are absolutely more at risk of abuse, as I explained above.

Do you have a study you can link? One person's opinion/experience is anecdotal evidence at best.

What is the important function of drinking?

Naturism is a perfectly normal social activity which people should be free to do with certain caveats, same as anything else.

It's a classic grooming tactic. Normalise things to the point the child no longer feels uncomfortable. So it's obvious some children will be put at risk if normalising nudity outside the family context means their sense of what's ok and what isn't is broken down.

Normalising nudity in the context of naturism doesn't mean normalising not having personal boundaries.

Why does that need pointing out? confused. Why are people ok with this possibility? If even one child is put at risk it's one child too many.

Football coaches sometimes abuse children. We should remove children from football lessons. Even one child at risk is one child too many.

Over and over it is children who don't know about bodies or reproduction and who are ashamed of their bodies who are abused, have underage sex, teenage pregnancy and don't know how to protect themselves.
Abusers don't usually just jump on a kid they just met, they groom, fully clothed for ages, children they have regular access to. There is no more abuse in naturist circles than anywhere, and there's more in the church where sex is sinful and you are ashamed of your body

*Naturists aren't perverts.

Everyone - including naturists - may need to take steps to ensure perverts do not access events, especially family events.*

Exactly. Naturists have done a very good job of protecting children for generations. Again, I ask for any evidence of child sexual abuse at a BN event. Naturists don't need non-naturists to police their events.

The original poster is right. This is a major safeguarding issue, which is exactly why British Naturists work with the police and the NSPCC and review their safeguarding policy every single year.

Take a second to think. Naturism has been around for decades. The police know about it. Social services know about it. They will have had loads and loads of policy meetings making sure no kids are harmed. It's not like this is some random dude who decided to do this event and doesn't know what he's doing. This is a small community who get strict oversight every step of the way.

Some of the hysterical reactions here are absurd. Did you only just find out about naturists? Have you never been to a German beach?

Start with this document which states that grooming of children can include “perpetrator desensitising other family members by encouraging values which erode normal sexual boundaries, for example, by encouraging nudity and lack of privacy in the home or use of pornography;”
www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/QLD.0056.001.0246.pdf

Then have a look at this book:
Naked: A vulnerable child trapped in a predatory world. A shocking story www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0755318099/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_f8NGCbHNX0ET3?tag=mumsnetforum-21

Then have a look at these articles:

www.echo-news.co.uk/news/15286518.naturist-banned-over-child-abuse-images/

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/naturist-gary-savell-convicted-f-a83981/

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwil1YeX4vLgAhVGJBoKHazMAKAQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-2760633%2FNaturist-claimed-nudity-does-not-equal-pornography-admits-downloading-120-000-child-abuse-images.html&psig=AOvVaw2_3Cmlgq57GfyjnmLlnczQ&ust=1552142137126065

Still think it’s a good idea to take kids to an event like this?

"Normalising nudity in the context of naturism doesn't mean normalising not having personal boundaries. "

Oh, sorry, I was generally answering the "evidence or it's a lie" posts. I have no issue with naturism per se, but when it involves children who can't have a choice then rightly so I have a massive issue with it, as should everyone.

"Football coaches sometimes abuse children. We should remove children from football lessons. Even one child at risk is one child too many."

Oh do they teach football naked now? Damn right then they should be stopped. That's really creepy.

*It's a classic grooming tactic. Normalise things to the point the child no longer feels uncomfortable. So it's obvious some children will be put at risk if normalising nudity outside the family context means their sense of what's ok and what isn't is broken down.

Why does that need pointing out? confused. Why are people ok with this possibility? If even one child is put at risk it's one child too many.*

Again you are associating nudity with sex. It is possible to be surrounded by nakedness and not think of sex you know.
How many children are abused in clothed society? Clothes don't protect children do they?

*Start with this document which states that grooming of children can include “perpetrator desensitising other family members by encouraging values which erode normal sexual boundaries, for example, by encouraging nudity and lack of privacy in the home or use of pornography;”
www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/QLD.0056.001.0246.pdf

Then have a look at this book:
Naked: A vulnerable child trapped in a predatory world. A shocking story ]]

Then have a look at these articles:

www.echo-news.co.uk/news/15286518.naturist-banned-over-child-abuse-images/

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/naturist-gary-savell-convicted-f-a83981/

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwil1YeX4vLgAhVGJBoKHazMAKAQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-2760633%2FNaturist-claimed-nudity-does-not-equal-pornography-admits-downloading-120-000-child-abuse-images.html&psig=AOvVaw2_3Cmlgq57GfyjnmLlnczQ&ust=1552142137126065

Still think it’s a good idea to take kids to an event like this?*

Would you like me to link all the news reports of child sexual abuse that has occurred by clothed men? Child sexual abuse is no more likely to occur in a naturist environment than a clothed one.

Where have I associated nudity with sex? Shows where your mind is!

As it happens my DC see me naked a fair bit when I get out of the shower etc.

Naturism is a perfectly normal social activity which people should be free to do with certain caveats, same as anything else.

For adults, yes.

For children, who are learning and being taught about boundaries about their bodies, no.

Where have I associated nudity with sex? Shows where your mind is!

You said normalising nudity is putting children at risk of grooming.

@emilyfromhades

Take a second to think. Naturism has been around for decades. The police know about it. Social services know about it.

Take a second to think. Grooming gangs targeting teenage girls has been around for decades. Children in care being abused has been around for decades. Social services know about it and have known about it for decades.

Not saying "naturism is bad" but I am saying "take a second to think - a bit more thought is needed about whether more controls are needed re children at naturism events".

There have been children naturists for yonks. My neighbours 30 years ago were a naturist couple with children. Much better upbringing than some children get, I'll tell you that.

I didn’t say that children would be abused a this event - I said (and backed up) that those who groom children often attempt to erode normal boundaries, including by encouraging nudity (read Van Dam 2001 for more on this).

If those boundaries are already broken down or starting to, this makes the work of abusers much easier.

Of course children are abused by clothed people. I don’t see how that’s justification for putting them in situations that erode their boundaries and normalise exposure of naked adult strangers.

Not saying "naturism is bad" but I am saying "take a second to think - a bit more thought is needed about whether more controls are needed re children at naturism events".

If you have read their safeguarding policies and don't think they're up to scratch, then tell the NSPCC about the specific changes you want to see.

But none of you have read their safeguarding procedure or have problems with it. It's all just hysteria. Should be embarrassed.

I think children of naturalists are more body aware and have an understanding of what's 'right or wrong' than most other children.
Never mind,...from this thread I have learned that nakedness is very very dangerous and to be avoided at all costs.

Of course children are abused by clothed people. I don’t see how that’s justification for putting them in situations that erode their boundaries and normalise exposure of naked adult strangers.

But naturist children do have boundaries, just as clothed children do.

I agree most of this thread is a mindless knee jerk.