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My brother had rang hmrc on his ex

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bhbb · 05/03/2019 14:23

I've nc and this is going to be long but I don't want to drip feed.

My brother met his ex in 2012. For the first year she was great. We got along really well.

DB already had a dd from a previous relationship. She had no kids. She got on ok with dd (my niece). I hoped their relationship would grow as I knew the ex hadn't been around kids before.

Fast forward to a year later, she's pregnant. They have a son. The ex isn't happy where she and db live and she wants to be closer to her parents. Db agrees even though he is moving 45 mins away from his daughter.

At this time, db comes into some money. She insists all the money is spent on new things for the house. Db lives in the house for a total of 2 months and she kicks him out. All the bills are also in dbs name. He also took a couple of things out on finance for the house.

Db comes and stays at mine. He tells me everything that's gone on.

  • The ex through things at Db in front of my niece. My niece got so scared she ran out of the house and Db had to chase her. This was when she was pregnant and she blamed her hormones. She through a pan of water over his head. My niece has spoken to me about these incidents since and confirmed they were true. She was scared stiff of the ex. I had no idea. My poor niece.
  • she trapped his arm in the door when he was trying to say bye to his son. He took photos of his arm and it was badly bruised.
  • db found messages on the ex's phone to a friend slagging off his daughter (she was only 9 here). The messages were disgusting. Saying how she wished she could ship dd away or get her kidnapped.
  • she has also been messaging other men behind his back.

Db carried on staying at mine. The ex completely blocked him on everything and she refused to let db see his son.

Eventually contact resumed. The ex worked part time claiming single parent benefits. But also started working in a pub cash in hand 4 nights a week. From 4pm to midnight she would get £100 cash.

Db met someone else, she really is lovely and I'm happy to say they are married now with an baby of their own. Never seen him happier and more settled. His wife accepts dbs children as her own and they are a lovely family.

Db sees his soon regularly and has always paid maintenance and extra. PLUS the finance for the house he hardly lived in.

Things between Db and the ex have got bad over the last few months.

She ended one relationship and moved straight onto the next. This was 4 months ago. He has now moved in permanently. His kids have been introduced to ds. Db has massive concerns. Ds (my nephew) is struggling. His behaviour is terrible and he is getting in trouble at school. He is one mixed up little boy.

Db bends over backwards for ds. The ex is constantly changing drop off and collection times. Everything she asks for, db just does it. It winds me up! She takes advantage of him and his wife.

Db and his wife even cancelled a new year trip to London because the ex decided she no longer wanted ds for new year and was going to leave him at someone's house she hardly knew so she could go out! Ds is passed from person to person while in her care.

A couple of weeks ago, she sent a message to db saying she was reducing contact and he would no longer be coming for half of the time he usually does. This is not good for my nephew!! He needs his daddy. Now more than ever.

So Db went straight to a mediator and has his first appointment next week. I'm glad he is finally doing something as ds would be much better off with my db.

Anyway last night he received a horrible message from the ex slagging off his wife and baby. He saw red and this morning has rang the benefit fraud number and had told them what she's been doing for the last 4 years. She is refusing to pay for mediation also.

Me and db are very close. He came to mine in tears. He feels guilty about what he's done and what affect it might have on ds. But the ex is really pushing his buttons. I should point out here that the ex has never struggled financially. She went on 2 holidays abroad last year. Lives in a lovely house. Just got a brand new car. She's well and truly taken advantage of the benefit system. Db would have never of done it if she was struggling.

I'm sorry this is long but I don't know what to say to db. He's a mess. His wife is supporting him but she advised him not to ring hmrc - he's done it anyway.

So that it. Should he feel bad? I don't know. I just hate seeing him this way. All just such a mess. Im babysitting my niece and nephew tonight so they can go and have sometime together and to take his mind off things.

OP posts:
Rtmhwales · 05/03/2019 16:51

@Lovemusic33 Maybe I misunderstood but I thought it was £100 per 4pm-12am shift. So £400pw. They'd certainly care about that.

DGRossetti · 05/03/2019 16:57

Whilst I would in no way condone it, benefit fraud simply isn't that great in extent. There are some figures here

Or a picture ...

My brother had rang hmrc on his ex
CokeAndCrispsAndDip · 05/03/2019 16:59

My God, some posters want to paint him the villain no matter what. Bet a woman wouldn't have got the same response.

Poor bloke. He had a loving relationship with a woman and they had a daughter (equally responsible for this decision people!) And decided no spark so remain great friends and still in each others lives. Suffered the devastating loss of a close cousin to suicide, in the midst of this met someone and projected his hope of being happier onto them. Had a child. New woman became violent, financially abusive, mentally abusive and controlling. He got out with nothing and tried to peice his life back. Met an amazing new partner who was supportive and they had a baby. Don't see anything wrong with any of this.

Some people just like twisting the knife.

OP, sod worrying about the HMRC call, he isn't in the wrong his ex is. I hope he gets help and support.

whifflesqueak · 05/03/2019 17:02

She makes £12.50ph in a pub?

I’ve worked in hospitality all my life and am now in charge of a small team and I don’t make £12.50ph.

Maybe it’s because I’m always missing the point.

PortiaCastis · 05/03/2019 17:03

I didn't know pub work was so lucrative either

bhbb · 05/03/2019 17:06

@Lovemusic33 you've missed that she works part time also whichbus taken into account re her benefits. She works 16 hours which hmrc are aware of.

@IHateUncleJamie yes he does thankfully. And proof in a text of her admitting it. She still uses that number now. He also took photos the the messages of verbal abuse towards his dd. Don't know if they will count for much.

I will encourage him to report it. Right now he's just a mess. He says it's all been building up and he has just snapped.

To those saying 3 kids to 3 different woman - grow up. It's not like he's just gone from woman to woman. I can't say anymore than I've already said. I personally think it says a lot of him with how good friends he is with dd! After the ex, he wouldn't even go out. He became a shell of a man. He had to force himself to ask dw on a date, he was petrified but they have been inseparable ever since.

Anyway I am done now. Thanks

OP posts:
Redcampions · 05/03/2019 17:12

Bet a women coming on here saying she had 3 kids by three different dads would not have got the hard time the brother has got on here.

TacoLover · 05/03/2019 17:45

Not necessarily. I once shoved XH out of the way because he was physically trying to stop me from leaving the house. He later told everyone I hit him and googled "what do you when your wife is abusing you" hmm It's hard to know what's the truth without both sides of the story. We don't have his or hers, just his sister's hearsay after the fact.

If a woman came on here saying that her partner threw a pan of water over her head and trapped her hand in a door and bruised her, would you say that you wanted to hear the husband's side of the story?

SofaSurfer20 · 05/03/2019 18:43

Tell him to go for full custody

She's abusive and only a matter of time before she starts on DS

JingsMahBucket · 05/03/2019 18:53

@Claw001 no it’s not. You and several others just have crappy reading comprehension skills and an agenda. It’s perfectly clear if you take the time to understand it properly. The brother is an abuse victim who finally reached his breaking point.

@bhbb please have this thread moved to the Relationships board because you’ll find more practical and supportive advice there. Flag this thread and in the comment box ask @MNHQ to move it to the Relationships board.

Again, good luck to your brother. Flowers

Claw001 · 05/03/2019 19:20

I was trying to clarify why he would report her for working on the 4 nights he had his ds. OP has now clarified hence my it’s confusing comment. As it wasn’t clear from the start!

cricketmum84 · 05/03/2019 19:44

Gosh how many more wives and children is he going to have, he's no better is he?

This comment has narked me right off.

Imagine if a woman was posting who had had a child in an abusive relationship, got out of the relationship and settled down with a nice man and had another child.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be making your smart arse comments then would you.

Fuck right off.

whodidapoopoointhebath · 06/03/2019 17:37

I think he needs to get some advice and support around seeking custody for his son and not worry about the call. It’s done now anyway so what is the point in worrying?

ButterscupsRevenge · 06/03/2019 17:51

If she is a benefits cheat he shouldn't feel bad about reporting her. The bigger issue here is his son, advise him to see a solicitor asap if she doesn't want to play mediation tough tits, court ordered access

Reallyevilmuffin · 06/03/2019 17:55

Should have shopped her ages ago. And stopped the finance.

PolarBearkshire · 06/03/2019 18:03

I would have called HMRC staightaway unless by her working extra and earning and providing for his child he avoided paying the full lot of child support? Why not to demand 50/50 custody?

bubblegumunicorn · 06/03/2019 19:19

She was physically and financially abusing him when he lived with her now she’s using their son to emotionally abuse him if I was him I wouldn’t feel guilty and I also would be suing for primary custody!

Totaldogsbody · 06/03/2019 20:02

I'm concerned for their son, are you sure he's not suffering from abuse from her also? If not how is he coping , children are often used abominably to goad or hurt the abused party and suffer themselves because of this. As for the hmrc the only problem I have with that is that the son could be the one to suffer the backlash.

ToftyAC · 06/03/2019 20:13

Good for him. I assume he’s done it anonymously? Either way, hopefully she’ll get what’s due to her.

Louise2092 · 06/03/2019 20:21

My dp's ex is a nasty piece of work too. Dss is a teenager now and wising up to her antics and shortcomings as a parent. He texts dp and let's him know when his mum is pawning him and his younger sister (different dad) on to her family so she can go our drinking. He ended up spending xmas with us (for the first time ever) because she had been drinking for 3 days and he didn't want to be around her.

He's inherited some of her attitude and entitledness but we're working on it and he's a lovely boy considering the upbringing he's had. ( called the mum out on her bullshit about a year ago and the woman in her mid 30's referred to me as a "bam" and threatened to come to my home and beat me up when I pointed out her shitty behaviour and attitude with evidence to back then up).

We felt she was playing the system and got confirmation when dp got a letter from child maintenance to say he owed over £3000 as hadn't paid in years. He called and explained she was claiming he wasn't paying her so years ago he started transferring the money and prints a statement of the payments as proof. She then suddenly let her daughter's dad see his daughter so she could claim maintenance from him (she refused money from him and moved without giving him any of her info so he couldn't have paid her even if he wanted to purely because she was vindictive and wanted to keep him from his daughter as he had broken up with her).
She's now single (for the 3rd time since I've been with dp), her son wants to spend less time with her and my partner had gathered a folder of evidence for if/when dss decides he wants to live with us full time.

He has nothing to worry about hmrc wise as they have caught up with plenty of people and she broke the law, she has to live with the consequences of her selfish,grabby actions. He should 100% collate any evidence and go for custody as his priority needs to be his kid. We asked dss if he feels safe at home and that if he ever wants to live with us or just talk to us-he only needs to say.
He's finally trying to do right by his kids .... He should be proud of that and not worry a single second about her.

PinkPanther27 · 06/03/2019 21:21

So much victim blaming on here- focus on your own lives and stop being so judgemental.
I worry that the ex will use the HMRC call to control contact with his son even further. He needs to document everything re the abusive behaviour and fight to do what's best for his son. Has the son disclosed any concerns to staff at School?

expat101 · 06/03/2019 21:24

I have read most of the threads and this is my take on it. Your Brother needs to remove himself from direct contact with Son's Mother. Where I live, you can request the family court to order that handovers are conducted at an independent facility which has been sent up for fighting x spouses. It's good because then if a parent fails to show, it is noted for the Court's records and doesn't rely on the ''word'' of either parent. Sort out social media accounts. I don't know how many times I have read private matters on fb and the account holder has their privacy settings set to public. Same with friends of friends, funny how things turn up on other people's pages because they commented on something. Custody of the Child. If it's not in the best interests for him to live with Mum, then your Brother is going to have to step up and apply for custody with supervised access to x. He has to make a stand rather than keep hitting himself over the head about how the Boy is suffering.

I have no problem with people reporting fraudulent behaviour. As another poster commented if everyone did the right thing we would have improved services to assist those truly in need and have better roads, education and hospital systems for all! It grinds my gears to see people say it's only 100 this or that and doesn't make a real difference. All the more reason for a cashless economy me thinks.

Renster · 06/03/2019 22:20

I work fucking hard to pay the tax that pays people’s benefits. And I’m happy to do that for those who genuinely need those benefits. But when I see when I see people like this vile excuse for a human being milking the system, it really makes me mad. I can’t afford a massive house, new car and 2 holidays abroad every year! Good on him for reporting her.

SheWoreBlueVelvet · 06/03/2019 22:54

I work hard and did as a single parent too. Always needed tax credits though, it’s bloody precarious financially So personally I don’t think earning cash in hand is a problem. It’s not going into an off shore account or anything. And the pub she works at will get into trouble as well.

I also don’t think the abuse is the real issue. They were only together 2 years one of which was great. When things got bad in the second year, she was the one that recognised it and ended the relationship.
They both picked badly.
But yet he chose to leave his child with this absuive woman. And go and have another child with someone else in the space of 4 years...
He needs to learn from past behaviour.

CoolJule43 · 06/03/2019 23:50

More people should report those who defraud the benefits and tax systems
They are stealing and reducing the amounts that could be available to help people in need in society.

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