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My brother had rang hmrc on his ex

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bhbb · 05/03/2019 14:23

I've nc and this is going to be long but I don't want to drip feed.

My brother met his ex in 2012. For the first year she was great. We got along really well.

DB already had a dd from a previous relationship. She had no kids. She got on ok with dd (my niece). I hoped their relationship would grow as I knew the ex hadn't been around kids before.

Fast forward to a year later, she's pregnant. They have a son. The ex isn't happy where she and db live and she wants to be closer to her parents. Db agrees even though he is moving 45 mins away from his daughter.

At this time, db comes into some money. She insists all the money is spent on new things for the house. Db lives in the house for a total of 2 months and she kicks him out. All the bills are also in dbs name. He also took a couple of things out on finance for the house.

Db comes and stays at mine. He tells me everything that's gone on.

  • The ex through things at Db in front of my niece. My niece got so scared she ran out of the house and Db had to chase her. This was when she was pregnant and she blamed her hormones. She through a pan of water over his head. My niece has spoken to me about these incidents since and confirmed they were true. She was scared stiff of the ex. I had no idea. My poor niece.
  • she trapped his arm in the door when he was trying to say bye to his son. He took photos of his arm and it was badly bruised.
  • db found messages on the ex's phone to a friend slagging off his daughter (she was only 9 here). The messages were disgusting. Saying how she wished she could ship dd away or get her kidnapped.
  • she has also been messaging other men behind his back.

Db carried on staying at mine. The ex completely blocked him on everything and she refused to let db see his son.

Eventually contact resumed. The ex worked part time claiming single parent benefits. But also started working in a pub cash in hand 4 nights a week. From 4pm to midnight she would get £100 cash.

Db met someone else, she really is lovely and I'm happy to say they are married now with an baby of their own. Never seen him happier and more settled. His wife accepts dbs children as her own and they are a lovely family.

Db sees his soon regularly and has always paid maintenance and extra. PLUS the finance for the house he hardly lived in.

Things between Db and the ex have got bad over the last few months.

She ended one relationship and moved straight onto the next. This was 4 months ago. He has now moved in permanently. His kids have been introduced to ds. Db has massive concerns. Ds (my nephew) is struggling. His behaviour is terrible and he is getting in trouble at school. He is one mixed up little boy.

Db bends over backwards for ds. The ex is constantly changing drop off and collection times. Everything she asks for, db just does it. It winds me up! She takes advantage of him and his wife.

Db and his wife even cancelled a new year trip to London because the ex decided she no longer wanted ds for new year and was going to leave him at someone's house she hardly knew so she could go out! Ds is passed from person to person while in her care.

A couple of weeks ago, she sent a message to db saying she was reducing contact and he would no longer be coming for half of the time he usually does. This is not good for my nephew!! He needs his daddy. Now more than ever.

So Db went straight to a mediator and has his first appointment next week. I'm glad he is finally doing something as ds would be much better off with my db.

Anyway last night he received a horrible message from the ex slagging off his wife and baby. He saw red and this morning has rang the benefit fraud number and had told them what she's been doing for the last 4 years. She is refusing to pay for mediation also.

Me and db are very close. He came to mine in tears. He feels guilty about what he's done and what affect it might have on ds. But the ex is really pushing his buttons. I should point out here that the ex has never struggled financially. She went on 2 holidays abroad last year. Lives in a lovely house. Just got a brand new car. She's well and truly taken advantage of the benefit system. Db would have never of done it if she was struggling.

I'm sorry this is long but I don't know what to say to db. He's a mess. His wife is supporting him but she advised him not to ring hmrc - he's done it anyway.

So that it. Should he feel bad? I don't know. I just hate seeing him this way. All just such a mess. Im babysitting my niece and nephew tonight so they can go and have sometime together and to take his mind off things.

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 05/03/2019 15:07

I understand why he is frantic. She’s hardly going to be able to prove he made the call. Afterall she’s been committing fraud for years. He just needs to deny it if she ever accuses him.

bhbb · 05/03/2019 15:14

@KurriKurri no I asked him that too! He said there was no way he would ever tell her such personal information. His wife shared something on fb about the importance of smear tests. Then a friend commented saying she was so pleased sis in law got the all clear.

Sis in law has a few mutual friends with the ex so must have got to her this way.

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Feb2018mumma · 05/03/2019 15:16

I haven't got any experience regarding contact but thought should pop a message to warn you that you might cause more problems for your brother and nephew if his ex is on mumsnet and reads this very detailed description? She would then know that he was the one that called in her secret job?

LIZS · 05/03/2019 15:17

Then sil needs to tighten her settings on sm.

AnimalBabysitter · 05/03/2019 15:19

She sounds like a very nasty piece of work and deserves everything that's coming her way.

He shouldn't give shopping her to hmrc a second thought. She's committed a crime, that's her responsibility.

He needs to get full residency for DS and she should only be able to have supervised visits if there is evidence of abuse and other criminality. I suspect he only knows a small part of it.

So, time to man up and give this shocking mother what she deserves, and give DS what he needs - a loving, stable home.

WinnieFosterTether · 05/03/2019 15:20

She pushed one too many buttons
But she didn't. He made a decision to punish her and chose to use HMRC to do it. He needs to take responsibility for that ie it was his choice and his action. She doesn't control him. And his anger at her mad him overlook how it could impact on his DS.
Both your DB and his ex sound immature and impulsive tbh.

Motoko · 05/03/2019 15:32

You mention other things that he's paying for, to do with the house. What are they?

I take it the bills at her house are now in her name?

He needs to go for full residency of his son. Perhaps SS should be involved.

RomanyQueen1 · 05/03/2019 15:34

Gosh how many more wives and children is he going to have, he's no better is he?

PortiaCastis · 05/03/2019 15:36

Who looks after the children while she works 4pm until midnight?

bhbb · 05/03/2019 15:43

@RomanyQueen1 he's married ONCE and is still happily married.

Like I've said, dd mum and db are still friends. No nasty fall outs, no bitterness. They just realised they were more mates than anything else and still remain close. Even his wife is friends with her. They go on days out and to her other dcs birthday parties.

Met the ex just after our cousin commited suicide. Not saying that's in anyway to blame but he wasn't in the right frame of mind. He saw the ex as a sign. He thought it was ment to be. Clearly not.

His wife picked him up and has done nothing but good for him. They got their own house, got married and decided to try for a baby.

The end.

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JingsMahBucket · 05/03/2019 15:45

This man is clearly a victim of abuse. Of all three major kinds: physical, emotional, and financial abuse. Why are people having a go at him because he finally snapped and did the right thing via HRMC? This could be the beginning of getting full custody of his DS by showing what a deceitful and untrustworthy person his ex is. OP, I wish your brother luck and keep reassuring him that he did the right thing. This can open so many doors for him regarding custody and finally getting out from underneath his abuser.

PreseaCombatir · 05/03/2019 15:48

I’m sorry, but that was really stupid of him.

I’m not sayin she’s a nice person, or anything like that, and in terms of facilitating contact, and going to solicitors etc then of course, do it.

But Seriously, she’s on benefits, it’s not the life of Riley or easy street, I can’t get her up about a bit of cash in hand work.

Anyway, derailing, but my point is, what’s going to happen now? They will investigate her, she will stop getting her cash in hand money, and she will probably have to pay them back. So she will only be on benefits, but with deductions.

Who’s going to suffer if his mother has no money? Your nephew!

What he did was not clever at all

Claw001 · 05/03/2019 15:48

He has a DD with 1st partner? 2 children with 2nd partner? And 1 with his current partner?

bhbb · 05/03/2019 15:49

@Claw001 no he has 3 children not 4

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OftenHangry · 05/03/2019 15:50

WTAF is wrong with some of you?
The guy was a victim of DV and yet "he is immature" "his newfamily might be stressing DS". TF. Shame on some of you and fuck off with "he needs to man up". You wouldn't say it like that to a woman who was beaten by her partner.

OP, has he contacted Mankind charity? They might be able to help and point him in the right direction. X

bhbb · 05/03/2019 15:50

@PortiaCastis mostly Db and his wife. Sometimes her brother or sister or friend did but mostly Db.

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marvellousnightforamooncup · 05/03/2019 15:52

Jingsmahbucket is right. She was violent and abusive to him in front of the children. I'd be doing everything I could to get court ordered contact if not full custody of the son. Poor child. He'd be better off in a stable family home.

AnimalBabysitter · 05/03/2019 15:53

@OftenHangry

Here's my full post, from which you extracted two words:

She sounds like a very nasty piece of work and deserves everything that's coming her way.

He shouldn't give shopping her to hmrc a second thought. She's committed a crime, that's her responsibility.

He needs to get full residency for DS and she should only be able to have supervised visits if there is evidence of abuse and other criminality. I suspect he only knows a small part of it.

So, time to man up and give this shocking mother what she deserves, and give DS what he needs - a loving, stable home.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 05/03/2019 15:54

OP, you might get better advice moving this thread or starting a new one in Relationships. It isn't really about HMRC is it? This is about an abusive relationship and the child from it.

CarolDanvers · 05/03/2019 15:56

I'd love to hear her side of this.

Claw001 · 05/03/2019 15:56

So your DB looks after his son 4 nights a week for 4pm to midnight? I assume his ds stays over? Why on earth would he grass her up?!

ShesABelter · 05/03/2019 15:59

She sounds like a complete selfish arsehole..I would go to court to try become resident parent if I were him.

GloryforGloves · 05/03/2019 15:59

The thing I don’t understand is he saw red and reported her to the HMRC instead of ‘seeing red’ and contacting a solicitor immediately to get custody. It honestly sounds like he’s more interested in punishing her than saving his DS. His priorities are in the wrong order.

In fact, considering his ongoing concern for his son why hasn’t he done anything more? Do they have a formal agreement with the courts or is contact decided between him and his ex? Because if it is informal he should be refusing to hand back his DS if he is this concerned by his wellbeing and getting main parent custody.

bhbb · 05/03/2019 16:06

@Claw001 no read what I'm saying. I said mostly. It would go on when she wanted db to have him. Obviously he said yes at any given opportunity so he had ds. D

Ds then started school and she said she no longer wanted ds at dbs house on a school night as the journey to school was too far. Which was fair enough.

Db just carried on with normal contact. The 4 nights a week was stopped ages ago - sorry should of been more clear with this

Then the latest bf comes into her life and ds is left presumably with him or her sister. Ds says the new bf looks after him regularly.

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Claw001 · 05/03/2019 16:08

Surely reporting her will mean he won’t get to look after his ds 4 nights a week, from 4pm until midnight!

Why would he do this, if he is so concerned for his ds?

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