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Who was unreasonable? A return of borrowed baby things...

146 replies

Cleanmywindows · 03/03/2019 23:13

A and B are sisters. A has 4 dc aged 7-1. B has 2 dc aged 2 and 7m.

When B had her first dc, A was very supportive and provided a lot of the stuff A needed. When A subsequently had her 4th dc, B sent back various items she was no longer using, along with some items which were new for B. Some of these A then returned to her for use with B's second dc. Overall, A has spent far more money on the items that have been used by both sisters than B.

Recently, A asked B to return a specific toy that A's youngest dc is now at the appropriate stage to use. B said that her oldest dc was still using the toy - would a new replacement of the item be acceptable to A? B said no - for good reasons, she wanted the originally lent item back. B agreed to return the toy.

However, the conversation caused some bad feeling between A and B. B says A did not ever use the words 'lend' or 'borrow' when providing the items to B but feels that, as sisters, this should not need to be explicated. B feels the reverse, claims that she never requested help from A and stated that if there are other items that A has 'lent' to B, then A should say what they are because B did not understand that these items were on loan. B said she would not be able to give back loaned items if she did not know what they were! B feels angry that A was not clear about wanting certain items back. She said she would not have accepted children's toys 'on loan'. A feels angry that B has taken her assistance for granted and has not acknowledged the financial value of the items.

A responded with a list of items - two higher value items and a few more specific toys, and requested that these be returned today. A said that she is struggling financially, and can either make use of the items herself (and therefore not be out of pocket for similar items) or resell them and bring in much needed funds. B is coming to the end of mat. leave, with not much to spare herself, but is not struggling as much as A who is a SAHM and has recently had her tax credits cut. B said that she will need to replace some of the items, some of which are necessities (breastpump) others of which will be missed by her toddler, who doesn't understand why her toys have been taken away. A told B that she cannot afford to be out of pocket on account of things she's already paid for once. B told A that her restricted finances are a result of her decision to stay at home and are not anyone else's problem. A told B that she is done with the sharing of items and that the future of the whole relationship was in question. B cut A off, and ended the call, saying to A that she was coming close to saying things she would come to regret. B returned the items (via a third party) and so far no further messages have been exchanged.

Obviously I am one of these people. If my sister is reading, she'll certainly recognise herself as I've been pretty specific! I've tried to be neutral, although obviously that's hard. Who was being unreasonable?

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MadameDD · 04/03/2019 09:07

A was being unreasonable as she didn't state it was a loan.

But if it's sisters it's got as others have said really petty and seems like point scoring by the lender as to how she got her stuff back etc.

Missingstreetlife · 04/03/2019 09:08

I think if you give something to be used by a child you wait for it to be finished with, expect reasonable care to be taken of it, and that it may be damaged or ruined and never come back. If you are the borrower offer it back when you finish with it, or if you can see the other person needs it after all.

SilverBirchTree · 04/03/2019 09:14

You're both being silly. This isn't worth falling out over. Turning a dispute over toys into an opportunity to criticise her life choices (being a SAHM) was unkind and probably what escalated this into something that threatens the relationship. You should apologise.

Also you are not 'out of pocket' overall. Presumably her loaning you items saved you a lot of money over time. Just because you need to buy your own breast pump or whatever now, doesn't mean that you didn't come out ahead financially.

Patr1ckJane · 04/03/2019 09:26

You say about you being out of pocket for having to give it back but tbh I think that makes you sound mean. She would be out of pocket twice wouldn’t she?

Anyway it’s tough I got given loads of stuff by my SIL when. I had my baby who’s now 8 months and he’s just had a new born so I packed up all the new born toys and things (including the bouncer etc) because I figured she’d need them back. I’ve already said once her little one is old enough I’ll be handing back the other stuff because it was hers first and she will need it again

timeisnotaline · 04/03/2019 09:59

You lost all higher ground with the sahm comment and you are definitely the one who should reach out, especially as not having made
Choices to be a sahm you presumably don’t have money worries as an added stress. Anyway if you do they must be the result of other choices you made and 100% your fault.
A push along truck is actually not that unreasonable. They make the biggest use at a really specific stage. I don’t feel too sorry for your toddler as I have these conversations with mine every day- those blocks are soft and babies aren’t very stable so I know you play with them but you have lots of big boy blocks and now we need to let the baby play with them. Suggest you try explaining it like that unless you’ve already told your child your greedy cousin stole his toys.
A shouldn’t have lent but B is the bigger offender by far.

Cleanmywindows · 04/03/2019 10:01

Hmm, it wasn't a criticism of her life choices. Just a simple statement of facts. If you have a large family and only one income, it's hardly surprising that money is tight. Im sorry I don't accept that is being critical.

I am out of pocket in the immediate sense, the last month of mat leave, when my childcare bill is due and funds are at their lowest, is not an ideal time for an unforeseen expense. And if we are looking at things overall, I am not better off for having used her (e.g) breast pump if I have to buy one in the end anyway! It's the same cost as having bought my own at the outset!

Anyway, agree that it is extremely petty. It's been useful to hear your perspectives, so thanks.

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timeisnotaline · 04/03/2019 10:11

You totally don’t accept that comment was uncalled for do you? Good luck recovering the relationship. It was a criticism of her life choices, not an impartial statement of fact.

Yes the breast pump is annoying but you could always switch to formula, and you have a job to go back to which means you have much more money so it won’t hurt to buy your own. Just a statement of fact that your sister could make, not a comment on life choices. Of course if she had sold the pump etc to start instead of lending she would have a bit more cash- silly her making generous life choices. (I dont think she was entirely reasonable either and could have handled it better but the far bigger fault lies with you.)

BulletWithABun · 04/03/2019 10:13

This was very hard to read. I'm with those who have said the A&B stuff is nonsense.

I couldn't even get through to the end of it but I'd just stay stop fretting over the trivial stuff like who said what and did what to who. A & B need their heads banging together.

JustTwoMoreSecs · 04/03/2019 12:38

B is BU!

Drum2018 · 04/03/2019 12:46

I think when people are still having kids it's reasonable that items that have been previously given 2nd hand are then sent back to the original owner for their next baby. For me this applies to friends and family. Whoever bought the item is the owner and unless they specify that they never want to see it again, it will always be theirs.

Quartz2208 · 04/03/2019 12:47

For family this is all very transactional based

LiveLongAndBright · 04/03/2019 13:26

B sounds judgemental and unpleasant with her sahm comment.

RhiWrites · 04/03/2019 13:41

This sounds so weird to me. Come on OP, you and your sister shared your baby items. You both sent stuff to each other depending on the age of the children. It’s not about gifting versus lending. You were sharing.

When A wanted another turn of the toddle truck you took the attitude that it was still your turn. Then you cut off your nose to spite your face by demanding to know what else was “only a loan” and sending the lot back. Why?

Toddlers are endlessly moving through toys. They don’t hang around because they age out of things. All my friends with toddlers are engaged in the same process of gifting lending and SHARING toys.

You are unreasonable because you forgot how to share. How will you teach your children this if you don’t know how?

LiveLongAndBright · 04/03/2019 13:43

I’m going to hazard a guess that the replacement toy offered was cheaper/inferior quality. If you had offered like for like I’m sure she would have accepted that.

LiveLongAndBright · 04/03/2019 13:46

Also the breast pump. If your sister hadn’t lent hers to you then you’d have had to buy one yourself anyway. And yet you are grumbling that she wants hers back and you may have to buy one yourself after all. Why should she have to shell out twice because you’re too mean to buy once?

outpinked · 04/03/2019 13:49

Honestly it all sounds rather petty like some sort of playground squabble arguing over semantics.

I don’t think A needed to specify they were on loan for B to realise that was the case and I think B is in a better financial position so should just replace the items and try to keep a good relationship with her sister. I also think A has been generous lending so many items which has saved B a fortune.

BrightYellowHat · 04/03/2019 13:56

Honestly - you sound incredibly mean. Your sis has tried to help you out by lending things to you instead of letting them sit in a cupboard unused while she TTC.
She has saved you money, but even though you know she is broke, you think it is up to her to buy a second set of everything when you haven't even had to buy anything once.
If I were you , I would have offered the stuff back immediately.
And to top it all, you've now cut her off?
Just goes to show no act of kindness goes unpunished.

AnxietyDream · 04/03/2019 14:34

I never accept anything for children on loan as I don’t want to police its use or condition.

This. It's one thing to accept a gift of second hand baby things, and offer to pass back whatever is still in good condition once you no longer need it, it's another to know that someone is going to be demanding back a specific items at a time that suits them in the future.

The loan scenario is far too much of a headache in terms remembering who gave you what, avoiding accidents/breakages/loss, storing stuff after use indefinitely etc.

If you are only loaning something you need to make that really clear so people can choose to refuse, and if you are giving it away you need to accept that getting it back is a bonus, not something to be expected.

I do agree ops other comments to sister were rude, but that doesn't make the op wrong about the stuff.

gamerchick · 04/03/2019 14:35

So many people here who would be quite happy to take away a toy a toddler plays with. Hmm

OP no more lending and borrowing, it's not worth the aggro.

BrightYellowHat · 04/03/2019 14:44

So many people here who would be quite happy to take away a toy a toddler plays with.
It's a push-along walker, not a much loved cuddly toy or comforter. Doubt the toddler will even notice.

Halo84 · 04/03/2019 15:17

No, OP, you didn’t mention your sister not working as a statement of fact. You did it as a petty wat to “win” an argument.

Chocmallows · 04/03/2019 15:31

Your sister has had financial cuts and is likely to be highly stressed. The toys are just items, we can attach emotions to items, but family is more important. Unless she uses you as her regular verbal punchbag, in which case walking away may be a better option.

I go back to my original suggestion that you take her out for a cuppa and apologise for not understanding the situation (loan not borrow), but wholeheartedly apologise or resentment will still be there. By taking the adult approach she will hopefully join you and talk about the real issues (potential debt).

In time she may even reflect on the situation and see that she is taking stress out on you unfairly, but at the moment you are acting like a child and bouncing the stress back instead of drawing a line under it I would also never accept anything from her again

You do not want the DCs (cousins) dragged into this, so better resolved asap.

PregnantSea · 04/03/2019 15:33

They are both being petty and stupid. What a ridiculous story.

WonkoTheSane42 · 04/03/2019 15:54

A said this then B said the other... And to think I told my maths teacher I’d never use algebra in real life.

TBDO · 04/03/2019 17:11

Your comment about being out of pocket is insensitive. You’re effectively saying that it’s fine for your DSis to be out of pocket twice compared to you being out of pocket once?

I get that money is tight for you, but your sister is obviously in need. She helped you out by lending stuff. You come across as petty for not being appreciative and not handing stuff back to her at her point of need, without making a drama of it.

It doesn’t really matter if she said it was a loan or not - she cared enough about you to pass things to you (getting herself out of pocket once), you should reciprocate by caring enough about her by passing her own things back (instead of expecting her to be out of pocket twice so you can not be out of pocket even once).