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DD 19 heartbroken- AIBU to send her back to uni?

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WorriedaboutDD19 · 18/02/2019 23:35

DD’s relationship of 5 months ended two weeks ago. He was emotionally abusive, strong armed her into an engagement engagement and then cut her off from her friends. We all saw this happening gradually, me and DH tried to offer advice but ultimately had to wait until she realised for herself. We’ve been there for her these last few weeks, made an effort to spend time with her and have talked about her relationship at length.

Eventually she did- she’s now a complete mess and I don’t know if I’m BU to expect more from her.

He lied, cheated, manipulated. Yet DD genuinely loved him, believed his crazy lies and thought they’d be together in the future. The whole thing shocked me, it was a terrible case of emotional manipulation and I understand she’s heartbroken, anxious and feeling alone. She occasionally still wants to go back to him, luckily she has been strong enough NOT to do that.

She’s been home from uni for two weeks. Her boyfriend was literally with her 24/7 and wouldn’t leave her alone. She now has the dogs on her bed to feel less alone, can’t sleep without the light on, can’t bear to return to uni. She has loads of friends but is continuing to cut them out. She’s fine in the day, but at night she just cries. Says she loves him still, he loves her despite how he treated her and she’s scared she won’t find that again.

She’s gotten a little better gradually but AIBU to tell she HAS to go back to uni? She’s missing out on lectures, etc... and I honestly think having her friends and people her own age will help.

On the other hand, I don’t see how she can be alone at uni when she can’t even bear to sleep without the dogs in her room.

Advice is appreciated! Really at a loss here. I don’t know if it’s just heartbreak or if he’s affected her so much with the emotional abuse she needs professional help. Thank you.

OP posts:
SassitudeandSparkle · 19/02/2019 10:24

Has she had mental health issues previously, OP? Because it does seem strange that she got into such an intense relationship so quickly - presumably this is her first time away from home and she's in her first year of University?

JRMisOdious · 19/02/2019 10:30

Sorry for confusion Becca, I was asking Worriedabout. Because, if he wasn’t and she was living her life relatively independently without his physical presence (though albeit maybe still being coerced at arms length) because she had something of a support network, being back in the same environment, with friends - and enlisting pastoral care team - may be healthier than isolation at home. If he is there, that’s a very different situation.
Don’t know what your family circumstances are, Worriedabout. Any possibility of taking her back and staying around for a while to help ease her back in. Most people couldn’t, appreciate that, but if it’s a possibility?

bigKiteFlying · 19/02/2019 10:35

If in 5 months he's frightened her enough that choosing a tv channel is traumatic then I'd suggest there's probably more to it than she's told you so far.

This.

I'd encourage her to contact her course leader and student services.

If he's at the same university I wouldn't send her back .

I'd look into other options longer term than just deferring depending on how she is www.ucas.com/undergraduate/student-life/getting-student-support/changing-or-leaving-your-course. There was a transfer into mid second year in my degree course and there study at home options like OU. Though it''s possible she just needs some time and will be fine to go back - in which case keeping her university informed is very important.

pudding21 · 19/02/2019 10:37

The length of the realtionship isn't really the issue here. Having experienced emotional abuse (albleit for a lot longer) I can totally empathise with how your daughter is feeling. She loved him, hes destroyed her self esteem and confidence, she had no autonomy and now she is floored. This might be part of a bigger picture, the stresses of university, being away from home, losing friends etc are all difficult to deal with.

You've had some good advice here, but talk talk talk. And see if you can get her referred for some counselling. A GP visit might be needed. Ask her to call the University and if she can be deferred if she wants too. Thanks god she saw sense, but her emotions about being manipulated by him should not be overlooked. He did a right number on her and sounds quite dangerous. But she is free of him now in the physical sense, she now needs to fee herself in her head.

You sound like a lovely mum and that you will look after her. She is in a lot of pain, watch her closely.

NewName54321 · 19/02/2019 10:51

You can't "send her back"; she's an adult so it has to be her decision. If you push her to go back before she is ready, she may not feel able to come to you for help when she next needs you.

She does not sound ready to go back, particularly if he is there. Even if he isn't, or if she is strong enough not to return to this guy, she sounds very vulnerable and may get involved in the same type of relationship with someone else, which would be potentially harder to escape from.

Encourage her to make arrangements with the university to defer and use the time out to recover, do the Freedom programme, work and get some savings (so she is less likely to become financially dependent on someone else), and make proper decisions as to when or whether she is going back, transferring elsewhere or making other plans.

Pink993 · 19/02/2019 11:01

I have had a long term domestic abuse situation...it doesn’t take long to get sucked in. The sort of behaviour spoken about is called Gaslighting. Nobody has mentioned the police yet, although she may be unwilling to talk to them. This behaviour is against the law and even though he is not in her life now, he is free to do this to others at the uni. He needs to be stopped. He may have a personality disorder, or may just be an absolute arsehole, but either way he needs stopping, assessing and possibly charging. This may go further for him and you may one day hear his name on the news having murdered someone. Education is not high on the list of priorities right now. Talk to the uni and defer it. Her mental health needs help and time to recover, but more worryingly the abuser is free to continue these action elsewhere and needs to be considered in all of this. Please encourage her to report him for others sake in the future. I wish her all the best from one ‘sister’ to another.

Hogtini · 19/02/2019 11:06

Has she been signed off Uni to authorise the absence? Please do this as soon as possible if not so she's not flagging for attendance warnings/possible termination of studies.
Perhaps suggest accessing counselling - whether this be at the University of local services. Moodgym is a good website for navigating difficult times. there's also plenty of apps to download on her phone to help too - meditation etc - these could be especially helpful for the nights.

Pink993 · 19/02/2019 11:08

By the way, try these. The Freedom Programme, Refuge, Victim Support, any local support groups that you may have. Someone other than you just to talk to could help bring things out. She may be trying to protect you from hearing certain things.

FindPrimeLorca · 19/02/2019 11:12

As a parent of an emotionally vulnerable teen my instinct would be to take her back to university and if at all possible stay there for a few days until she’s settled back into the swing of it. But what everyone else says about counselling and it depending on where the bastard is also applies.

contrary13 · 19/02/2019 11:12

When I was 18/19, I ended up in a similar situation as your DD, OP - and it took me a year to break free of it. He isolated me from my friends, talked me out of starting university (I went at 22 with a toddler DD), beat me and raped me. I almost failed my 'A'-levels because of his abuse, and years later, my friends all told me that they were worried sick about me - although because we were still pretty much kids, and coercive control/abusive relationships weren't as talked about in the 1990s..., they didn't know how to help me. I wasn't as fortunate as your DD, though, in that my parents? Thought my ex was wonderful... and couldn't understand why, when I managed to walk away, not realising that I was pregnant with my own DD, I refused to have him anywhere near me/my daughter. If it weren't for my friends (one of whom I ended up falling for, had my son with, and who raised my DD as though she were his own child), I honestly think that she and I would have been seriously harmed, if not indeed dead at his hands one day.

Then my own daughter, when she was 19, ended up in a 3 month emotionally (I don't know about physically, but... I do suspect she was talked into doing things she didn't want to) abusive relationship. I knew the warning signs from my own experience, and I spent hours talking to her and trying to "get her to see sense". It didn't end, however, until he and I had a very passive-aggressive "chat" about how things would turn out if he stayed in my daughter's life. He was trying to talk her out of starting university (already a year later than her classmates), into marrying him, into moving into his parents home... and like your daughter's ex, he cut her off from her friends, and did his utmost to cut my son and I out of her life, too. When he ended it (the cowardly shit ghosted her!), she was suicidal - and it triggered a whole load of MH issues, which we're still reeling, somewhat, from (which I've posted about on here, before). She went to university, she made new friends, she found another boyfriend - who treated her with the utmost of respect, looked after her, and unknowingly reinforced my constant refrain of how she was worth so much better than the creep she'd briefly been with.

So I understand both sides of this - I can see it from your point of view as a mother, and also from your daughter's point of view as a victim. To those who are saying "5 months is nothing!"... I suspect that they're the fortunate few who haven't ever been involved in a relationship where your own sense of self is literally taken away from you, and you don't see it happening until it's too late. Your daughter's ex controlled every waking moment of her life. And she is struggling to realise that (a) that's not happening any more, and (b) she's got to be strong enough to prove that she is worth so much more than a coward's bullying tactics. Because ultimately? That's all her ex is. A coward and a bully. She has to change her way of looking at this, though - she has to choose to be a survivor... and not his victim. And with your support, and perhaps that of her university's guidance/welfare staff members, but more importantly I think that of her friends, she can get through this. She can be a survivor. Not a victim.

It would be worth deferring for the rest of the academic year, though, if she can do that. Because even though it was "just" 5 months - she's possibly not strong enough to cope on her own just yet. It took me until my daughter was a year old, so 18 months or so, until I was able to reclaim my own sense of self-esteem and confidence fully (and that was only with my friends support, one of whom used to 'e'mail me every other day from Thailand when he was travelling, he was so fretful that I'd fall back into my ex's arms!). It took my daughter a year, but her recovery was exacerbated, as I've said, with other issues. But your daughter does need time to recover, I'm afraid. Would you send her back if she was desperately ill? No. I'm sure you wouldn't. In one... in many ways, this "relationship"? Was a sickness. She believed his lies, his manipulations, she allowed him to control her... because she truly believed that he loved her. That, as you say, they were going to be together forever and a day... Her heart was not only controlled, but trampled on, and now broken. Plus, she's probably quite embarrassed by the fact that she "allowed" this to happen in the first place.

I had counselling for years after, to help me to work out that I was a survivor and not my ex's victim. It helped me work out what a healthy relationship actually was, and that enabled me to move on with my son's father (now also my ex, but he encouraged me to be myself, not his puppet on a string)... and also to deal with my emotions healthily when that ended a few years later. My daughter has had counselling, too, and whilst I still worry about her ending up in another abusive relationship, I'm confident that she'll be able to recognise the red-flags herself if that should ever happen. Like your daughter, mine is also afraid of being alone, of never finding love, of being (and considering this is 2019, this is horrific to my way of thinking) "left upon the shelf". I'm still not entirely sure how to change her way of thinking, and can only trust that she's old enough now, at 23, to recognise a decent bloke from an abusive one (although, sometimes they mask themselves as decent ones, so...).

It's a minefield. But your daughter will get through this. Just keep supporting her, allow her to cuddle your family's dogs (whom she probably confides in during the hours of darkness when it seems the loneliest time of day), and encourage her to believe that she can be a survivor, and to seek counselling. Work on her sense of self - which she's temporarily lost - and just be her Mum.

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micromanager1 · 19/02/2019 11:22

I think I agree with PPs regarding sending her back to where he knows how to contact her. I think her desire to stay away is perhaps tied to a subconscious fear of no longer being protected from him by her parents.

On another note, breakups in student life are really hard. The days are relatively empty and rely on self-motivation. When you're feeling down, this is nigh-on impossible to muster. Similarly, if she has been isolated from friends then she might not have much of a support network to turn to - likely because the manipulation has turned her against them in some ways.

I know this might not be helpful, but the most lovely breakup post I ever read online was this one: www.fashionmenow.co.uk/2018/02/lessons-in-breakups/
I know not all applies to her, but she might know the blogger and sometimes advice is easier to take from a stranger than your mum who clearly didn't like the guy anyway.

Santaclarita · 19/02/2019 11:29

I went through a break up like this at uni, but had been with him for 3 years. It's honestly probably better if she does go back to uni, to take her mind off it more than anything and to see that she does have friends still and she has support. Taking a year out I don't think will help. Tell her to come home at weekends and she will for a little but she will heal and gradually stop I imagine.

M00vinBl00s · 19/02/2019 13:12

Has DD informed her university tutor that she is off/away from the course ?
It should be the same system, as when you are working, she will need to phone in sick
Suggest making appointment with GP if no improvement
If she was back at uni, surely her friends would rally round and her course/social activities would offer distraction
Mooching at home is not going to help in the long term

Becca19962014 · 19/02/2019 13:43

surely her friends would rally round and her course/social activities will offer distraction

Unfortunately you cannot know that.

She's been isolated from her friends for five months, so for the first semester either of her first or second year. In that time it's likely many will have moved on, not through being nasty but being young and not knowing what to do. I was in an abusive relationship at 16, if I hadn't been then maybe I'd have behaved the same way my friends other friends did - basically moved on.

Don't underestimate that this happened whilst she was at uni in a place she's afriad of going back to and likely she feels let her down (as irrational as that sounds). Possibly he is on her course, part of her old social activities, maybe to isolate her he became "friends" with her friends. Possibly she tried talking to other people or the police and they were dismissive, because despite what MN will sometimes have you believe not everyone is supportive or helpful or believes someone who has been in an abusive relationship.

I was 16, I'll never forget the police officer who told me I was so fat I should be grateful any man had shown an interest in me. I still pursued it but he was found innocent and I was deemed guilty of lying and by that time everyone, every single person, I knew including my family believed I'd made it up for attention. Yes I found people who supported me later as did my friend but everyone is different and not everyone will react the same way. Unfortunately a lot of people simply don't want to know for whatever reason.

Obviously we cannot know this but the OP can.

Most courses are not intensive enough to be that distracting, there's a lot of self study involved, a lot of thinking time which can be a problem.

Most people replying here are not 19 years of age and are replying from the benefit of life experience.

She's trying to recover from what has possibly been the first very traumatic thing for her to go through. Taking time to recover properly with support is what is needed here. Getting back into uni and seeing people will take time. There's no way of us knowing what exactly went on, possibly even the op doesn't know that.

Not all courses are distracting, not everyone socialises a lot at uni.

I'm not saying she should do nothing but it's only been two weeks.

Becca19962014 · 19/02/2019 13:44

The bit about the op knowing should have been before the paragraph above it, sorry!

Confusedbeetle · 19/02/2019 13:46

Can she transfer to a university closer to home?

Crunchymum · 19/02/2019 14:14

It's probably quite relevant if you answer where the BF lives? I am assuming he's near your DD's uni? If so then she sounds too fragile to go back right now.

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