AIBU to think that if our elected representatives can’t decide, the people should have the final say?

[borntobequiet]

After all, that’s partially why we had the Referendum in the first place. At that point, relatively few people had feelings one way or the other about the EU. But we were asked. Now that there’s evidently no consensus in Parliament as to how we should leave the EU, shouldn’t it go back to the people again?
www.peoples-vote.uk/march

It's strange this obsession with limiting the discussion.

If you are confident then you think the discussion should be open. Why the need to keep it controlled?

The People have already had a say. We said "Leave".
Now our elected representatives are having extreme problems in deciding exactly how the Nation should leave. Dismaying, but part of democracy.
I believe the OP is not suggesting that "The People" should decide on the numerous complicated varieties of leaving-what kind of Referendum would that be! Perhaps a dozen separate questions?
The OP, (I suggest) is asking, in a disguised way, for another Leave/Remain referendum (which we have a already had), probably in the hope that the result would go the other way.
That is actually cheating.

onlyaman your sooooo funny. I assume your being sarcastic anyway.

People are stupid, not keen on second referendum... but i think remain would win this time. Id be happy with Norway+ if we really have to leave. Current deal is shit. I think extending A50 and renegotiate is best compromise.

Ideally just cancel the whole Brexit shebang.

This is like Groundhog Day

So we now know that there was illegal spending, that our industries will be damaged, that the government is planning for civil unrest, that they are suggesting hospitals, care homes, the armed forces and schools should stockpile, but we should just go ahead regardless because it would be 'cheating' not to. FFS.

I don’t want another Referendum as don’t think it will solve anything at this point and that we do need to leave, but am going to go to the March as there is no other way to make my disgust at the ridiculous happenings since June 2016 be known and I am very anti leaving without a deal.

It is disgusting though how people like some in this thread are trying to shut down free speech. Remainers have been called citizens of nowhere by our own PM, Gina Miller and a number of female PMs have had death threats made, some wanker is wondering around London with pictures of gallows and let’s not forget a woman was murdered in the run up to the Referendum.

This is nearly 50% of the voting population we are talking about. Yes 17.4 million is a lot of people but so is 16.1 million and there’s my DD’s generation who were too young to vote who are now of age plus people like my neighbours who have either sadly died in one case or changed her mind in another case - she said ‘but I didn’t know what I was voting for’ and is now really distressed by the current Westminster Clusterfuck.

So OP YANBU and DH and I will join you. And to everyone trying to get MNHQ to hide away one if the biggest issues our generation has faced, shame on you.

Nope - the people decided to leave, the people then voted the party they wanted to lead it.

That’s not strictly true, but big parties are split down the middle as far as Brexit is concerned, so it’s not true that the people voted on this in the GE.

I voted Conservative but I don’t support their official stance on Brexit.

It’s true that few people were concerned about our EU membership before the referendum. Immigration, yes, EU membership, no.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/20/britons-on-europe-survey-results-opinium-poll-referendum
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12108375/The-British-public-couldnt-care-less-about-Brexit-and-the-EU-referendum.html
www.economist.com/britain/2017/04/03/brexit-a-solution-in-search-of-a-problem

I'm not mad keen on a new referendum, especially as the PV organisers have been less than vocal about supporting the right to ALL Britons to vote in a future referendum. The idea of marching so that other people can have a vote on MY future (as a Briton in Europe) is not that appealing.

But if nothing changes to prevent no deal between now and the end of Feb I'll be tempted to come anyway as it's one last opportunity for citizens to make a stand.

And to everyone trying to get MNHQ to hide away one if the biggest issues our generation has faced, shame on you.

This with knobs on. Well said.

The people having their say is how we got into this mess in the first place.

As Parliament seems stuck on WA or no WA - that could be the same question put to the Electorate/People - accept or reject the WA.

This whole thing has proved that people are stupid. I’m not at all convinced in people making a good decision this time around.

I’m furious with the politicians for playing games with our country’s future, rather than making the best of a bad situation and getting the least-worst deal agreed through parliament so businesses and people know what to expect.

Leave won by a tiny majority, all sort of illegality helping along the way. MPs get to vote time and time again and yet we don’t get a second say once everyone knows a bit more? It will be a failure of democracy if it doesn’t happen.

Please please please can you all stop calling thing ‘people’s’ this and ‘people’s’ that. It’s creepy. It has entirely put me off the idea of a second referendum.

That is actually cheating

No it's really not.

We were asked for an undefinable leave. We now know what that really means another referendum is not undemocratic.

It doesn't fit with our form of democracy, it will be badly written legislation, rushed and indecisive but it won't be undemocratic.

Not to mention it seems to suggest that the first one was the vote of someone else. Was it the goats that voted perhaps? Or maybe it wasn’t the labradors’ Vote?

Gregory - I sort of agree. What do you suggest?

Apart from goats etc.!

I’m a Remainer but would accept the WA if voted for in Parliament, as least damaging. I don’t like Mrs May’s deal, I think she shot herself in the foot with her red lines...but she’s actually got a lot from the EU.

I think they started saying ‘people’s vote’ rather than second ref because it felt like re-running the ref would be unpopular. I don’t mind the language either way but I agree it now sounds like the first one wasn’t people!

Sorry - WA is the Withdrawal Agreement negotiated by Mrs May. It contains the so-called backstop, which is designed to avoid a “hard border” between the UK and EU in Ireland, which would endanger the Good Friday Agreement which (more or less) put an end to the Troubles in Northern Ireland.
Some people in favour of Brexit dislike the backstop because it prevents us from negotiating our own trade agreements while it’s in place. But we’re not very good at that, and have excellent trade agreements in place through the EU already...which we will have to give up when we leave...

YANBU. Thank you for the thread :)

YANBU