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AIBU to think that MN are not following their own rules by clamping down on free speech on the feminism boards?

47 replies

antifa · 16/02/2019 14:54

Mumsnet's rules specifically state that:

  1. Free speech by definition applies to all; for a debate to take place, opposing views which follow our Talk guidelines need to be tolerated, even if you disagree with them.

However, this no longer appears to be the case. Any post relating to the transgender debate which members of the feminism forums do not agree with is immediately classed as 'goady', members throw their toys out of the pram and complain and there is a high likelihood of the post being taken down by moderators.
There are numerous threads discussing alleged hypocrisy on the part of transgender individuals and yet the moment one is started highlighting something similar from the so-called transphobic side it is removed. This is clear double standards on the part of moderators. There is clear public interest in asking questions about a prominent GC campaigner who claims to support homosexuals but then says they support protestors who are clearly protesting against them.
If Mumsnet does not believe in free speech then maybe it should amend it's rules because at the moment it is allowing members to dictate which threads stand and which are removed.

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RoseAndRose · 16/02/2019 14:56

It's definitely a GC echo chamber.

If you only like to MN for feminism debate, you would be getting a very skewed view.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/02/2019 14:58

Your thread was goady

Thats why it was deleted

This one will go as well

As its a TAAT

LilaJude · 16/02/2019 14:59

Totally agree. They will also leave up lots of blatantly transphobic content as long as it isn’t strictly breaking their very narrow guidelines (so they will delete a post which actually uses a slur or calls a trans woman ‘he’, but they will leave up comments insinuating links with pedophilia or misgendering by calling a trans person ‘they’ instead of he or she).

Loads of people will disingenuously claim ‘report transphobia and it will be deleted!’ though, because they don’t accept that the MN talk guidelines are themselves pretty transphobic. They will swear blind this forum is balanced, because they don’t want to acknowledge bias that works in their favour.

antifa · 16/02/2019 15:00

Your thread was goady

Anything that you disagree with is immediately classed as goady.

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Sparklingbrook · 16/02/2019 15:01

Why did you not post in Site Stuff? Or contact MNHQ?

SpoonBlender · 16/02/2019 15:02

Your username is goady, your thread was goady, your response is goady. Well done! Gold star.

LilaJude · 16/02/2019 15:03

Remember this gem? The mere existence of a trans friendly thread is seen as goady by some posters:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3147810-Trans-friendly-thread

If ever there was proof that FWR is not a forum for open and balanced debate, it’s that.

PrawnOfCreation · 16/02/2019 15:04

Another great anti fascist battle, against the Mummies talking.

easyandy101 · 16/02/2019 15:05

How is antifa goady?

Birdsgottafly · 16/02/2019 15:05

What does GC stand for?

easyandy101 · 16/02/2019 15:06

Gender critical

antifa · 16/02/2019 15:06

Another great anti fascist battle, against the Mummies talking.

Nothing to do with people talking. If a forum is dominated by one viewpoint then so be it. But equally, if the site specifically states that opposing views must be tolerated then it should follow it's own rules or amend them.

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PrawnOfCreation · 16/02/2019 15:07

The mere existence of a trans friendly thread is seen as goady by some posters

From reading the OP, that's like me going into a bottle feeding support forum, starting a breastfeeding support thread, and demanding no dissent or disagreement.

There's a very small corner of the Internet for gc discussions. Apologies that some women won't shove over for men and their opinions even there. Must be soooo hard.

Birdsgottafly · 16/02/2019 15:09

easyandy101, Web Serach the word.

antifa · 16/02/2019 15:10

*From reading the OP, that's like me going into a bottle feeding support forum, starting a breastfeeding support thread, and demanding no dissent or disagreement.

There's a very small corner of the Internet for gc discussions. Apologies that some women won't shove over for men and their opinions even there. Must be soooo hard.*

I refer you to my previous answer. By the way, when was it decided that the feminism chat forum was exclusively for one-sided GC discussion?

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/02/2019 15:12

Anything that you disagree with is immediately classed as goady

Youve got no idea what i agree with and what i don't

IDoN0tCare · 16/02/2019 15:14

chat forum was exclusively for one-sided GC discussion?

It’s not. It’s just that the other side give crap arguments that fall down when science and reality is introduced. Not our fault that unicorns don’t exist. 🦄

LilaJude · 16/02/2019 15:14

From reading the OP, that's like me going into a bottle feeding support forum, starting a breastfeeding support thread, and demanding no dissent or disagreement.

This is bullshit because Mumsnet isn’t an anti trans or ‘gender critical’ forum, is it? It’s an open forum for people of all viewpoints. So it should be perfectly possible and reasonable for people on all sides of the debate to share their views.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/02/2019 15:15

so what was your opinion on the first thread lila

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/02/2019 15:17

Antifa started the thread to attack one person and by association taint everyone on the FWR board

They are being a smidge disingenuous now

Meandmetoo · 16/02/2019 15:18

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

antifa · 16/02/2019 15:18

It’s not

You're therefore happy to see a thread highlighting alleged hypocrisy on the part of a GC individual just as much as one highlighting alleged hypocrisy on the part of a trans person then?

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easyandy101 · 16/02/2019 15:20

Web Serach the word.

I know the word, I'm proudly anti-fash

PrawnOfCreation · 16/02/2019 15:23

So it should be perfectly possible and reasonable for people on all sides of the debate to share their views.

How does that fit with starting threads like the one linked where OP decides what views will be shared?

The issue some anti gc poster have is that "because I say so/have magical feelings/I believe" isn't considered debate.

antifa · 16/02/2019 15:23

*Antifa started the thread to attack one person and by association taint everyone on the FWR board

They are being a smidge disingenuous now*

Difficult to see how highlighting a subject (with zero mention of anyone else on the board) and putting it out there for debate is tainting by association. If you feel personally associated or tainted by something that's posted then maybe you need to look at yourself.

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