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Farmers dogs on public footpath

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Cuppateeee · 02/02/2019 15:49

Just been on a lovely walk in the countryside, only to be spoiled by a shouty farmer. Need a different perspective on it otherwise it will just wind me up. Will include picture.

Walking with my dog on a lead through a field, staying on the public footpath when I see two border collies barking in the distance. I stay where I am to look for a farmer to check if they are aggressive or not, no one in sight, they are staying where they are but still barking and in the way of where I need to walk, so I went back and walked down the other side of the fence.

I get to the bottom and see the dogs have gone, also notice the gate was open so they could have got to me anyway, never mind I’m there now and go over the stile back onto the public footpath.

Only then I notice the dogs have come back, so again I check to see if I can see the farmer because whilst they weren’t growling they were barking which is intimidating enough.

At this point there is a fence between us so not a problem but I check to see where the public footpath leads and you’re supposed to join the farm track but their gate is open. The dogs are following me and my dog down the fence, still barking, so I decided to walk away from them not wanting to risk what would happen when we reach the open gate. I am at this point on the farmers field.

After a few steps a farmer comes running shouting for my attention, I stop and see what he wants. He said ‘the footpath doesn’t go along there, you’re damaging the crops’. So he was clearly watching me, and would have been able to see that I was uncomfortable with his dogs around.

There is snow on the field so I wasn’t sure what I was walking on but either way I said, sorry I appreciate that but your dogs were being aggressive towards me and my dog so I felt I had no choice.

He kept repeating that if I can’t stick to the path then I shouldn’t go on the walk, which in normal circumstances I totally agree with, but in this case I felt it best, to protect me and my dog.

He insists his dogs are not aggressive, they are with him at this point, still barking but I admit not growling or coming closer, just staying with him, but I said again that I was not to know this and didn’t want to risk anything happening to my dogs.

In the end I walked away because he clearly could not see my point of view.

So was IBU waking on his land or was he. And if he was is there anything I can do to stop if happening to someone else. Sorry for the long post, thanks for reading.

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 03/02/2019 11:52

HOWEVER, this could have been avoided with the correct fencing and gates.

😂😂😂

streetwise you could have prevented this with stronger walls.

Farmers fencing responsibility requires them to keep their livestock in! It is the dog owner’s responsibility to keep their dogs out. Yes proper fencing around the dogs would have prevented this. You are correct.

Unbearablecollies · 03/02/2019 11:52

I think the original op has gone on a long dog walk

FrancisCrawford · 03/02/2019 11:53

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StreetwiseHercules · 03/02/2019 11:53

“Unbearablecollies

Do they have to stand out there all day just in case the cattle want to move from one side of the field to the other!“

If they are dedicated to their craft, yet. We are led to believe that farmers are outstanding in their fields anyway.

🙂

Biggerknickersagain · 03/02/2019 11:55

@Teateaandmoretea

I've already posted earlier and said that I thought the farmer could have been a bit more understanding in his reaction, but that had I been in that situation I'd have turned back rather than walk on the crop, but then I'd know that if the dogs are there, so is the farmer usually and I'd have carried on, but that I realise not everyone will know this. I can understand why the OP did what she did, I'd just do it differently, probably because of my experience.
My second comment is because of the way the thread has gone really.

StreetwiseHercules · 03/02/2019 11:56

“Farmers fencing responsibility requires them to keep their livestock in! It is the dog owner’s responsibility to keep their dogs out. Yes proper fencing around the dogs would have prevented this. You are correct.”

If a dog can get in, then sheep can get out and often do. Why don’t they bother to secure their livestock?

FrancisCrawford · 03/02/2019 11:56

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Teateaandmoretea · 03/02/2019 11:59

You wouldn't be able to walk there if it wasn't for the farmer farming th land. It would be a housing estate otherwise.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 wtaf...?

Fazackerley · 03/02/2019 11:59

So what? The farmer maintains that land and footpath so you can walk over it. His dogs were barking to alert him that someone was there. Honestly get over yourselves. It's a cliche but some of the people in this thread should stay in suburbia

Teateaandmoretea · 03/02/2019 12:00

Not out of control at all.

Only the OP knows the truth. You weren't there.

Biggerknickersagain · 03/02/2019 12:03

If a dog can get in, then sheep can get out and often do. Why don’t they bother to secure their livestock?

No, that's not necessarily the case. Dogs can jump a hell of a lot higher than sheep for a start. They are generally more intelligent and capable of working out how to use a style for instance. That's before you account for the fact sheep are all much the same size, dogs are not. I have terriers, small enough to fit through sheep netting that sheep can't. Mum has a German shepherd, capable of jumping and climbing up to 6ft - sheep can't do that.

StreetwiseHercules · 03/02/2019 12:03

Dogs barking at people are not under control. I would never allow my dog to sit in the garden and bark at passers by.

Teateaandmoretea · 03/02/2019 12:03

You are saying faz that if it wasn't for farmers all rural areas would be housing estates? He doesn't maintain it for walkers he maintains it to farm and make money. I have no idea where you live - the moon maybe.

Biggerknickersagain · 03/02/2019 12:05

*stile - bloody autocorrect

StreetwiseHercules · 03/02/2019 12:06

Dogs cannot club wire fences and I have never seen a dog jump a 4ft wire fence. A collie would struggle and even then I wouldn’t be worried about a collie.

Yet I have often observed sheep and lambs wandering around on the road after having slithered under and through poorly maintained fences and gates.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 03/02/2019 12:11

Members of the public disrespecting the countryside code - very small minority.

Proportion of farmers with outright contempt for the public and the countryside code - very high.

I doubt that.

Unbearablecollies · 03/02/2019 12:12

Agree streetwise that the occasional sheep does escape ( they are pros at escaping) don't agree that a working farm dog barking is not under control, totally different scenario to your garden. Would you say the same about a barking police dog? It's part of the job description for both dogs.

Unbearablecollies · 03/02/2019 12:14

People with Huskies often have to erect 6ft high fences to keep them in, doubt they'd blink at 4ft. My friends long legged terrier type dog would be over that in flash, bloody thing's a nightmare.

Teateaandmoretea · 03/02/2019 12:14

I don't see what relevance escaping sheep has to anything - people need to control their dogs and that's it. People who don't control their dogs especially around livestock shouldn't have them let alone walk round the countryside with them.

StreetwiseHercules · 03/02/2019 12:14

“don't agree that a working farm dog barking is not under control, totally different scenario to your garden. Would you say the same about a barking police dog?”

There might be a requirement for farm dogs to bark, but not for them to bark at people. And the farmer should be able to silence them immediately by a command.

twoheaped · 03/02/2019 12:16

Rural crime is a big problem all across our county and is getting worse.
We have sadly had a bunch of scallywags going through our barns for what they could take.
We also have a footpath that comes down our drive and is clearly sign posted to go round the back of the farm. Many a time the alarm ia set off by walkers trespassing onto our yard. It is somewhat annoying but what annoys me more is the dog walkers who are more than happy to leave the crap their dogs do on our drive.
The OP was wrong to deviate from the path and the farmer was right to challenge.

Fazackerley · 03/02/2019 12:16

Another thread hidden due to absolute stupidity Hmm

SoupDragon · 03/02/2019 12:18

If a dog can get in, then sheep can get out and often do.

My cocker spaniel can wiggle his way under a 4" gap. Can a sheep do that?

Biggerknickersagain · 03/02/2019 12:21

@StreetwiseHercules

A German shepherd, collie or other larger athletic breed is perfectly capable of clearing 4 ft from nothing. Also perfectly capable of jumping onto a gate as leverage. Terriers perfectly capable of getting through sheep netting. Sheep can't do that and as already stated the farmer fences to keep his sheep in, fencing designed to keep sheep in will not keep an athletic dog, whose instinct it is to chase and is not under control, out.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 03/02/2019 12:23

If a dog can get in, then sheep can get out and often do. Why don’t they bother to secure their livestock?

Yet again, more wisdom from the farm 😂