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To miss London so much I want to cry

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Polarbearflavour · 31/01/2019 12:17

I used to live and work in London. I had a great job in the City, liked the company, the people and the work.

DH is military and we are living in a city I really don’t like and I have zero friends here. Transport is poor, it takes ages to get here from anywhere else etc.

I miss London so much I want to cry! Sad I’ve temped a bit down here and not working at the moment. There aren’t really any decent jobs here and when I have temped in offices I’ve found it...quite provincial and slow. That’s of no detriment to anybody who works there but it doesn’t suit me.

We are renting out our London flat at the moment. Would I be unreasonable to live and work there during the week and come home on weekends?

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scaryteacher · 01/02/2019 13:44

ClarabellaCTL RTFT, we always had our own house and didn't live in MQs, so we wouldn't have encountered each other on a married patch.

The OP has made choices to marry someone in the RN, and to move to Plymouth. Presumably, these choices were made of her own volition.

She can either:

  • move back to London, and weekend
  • get divorced
  • persuade her husband to give up his career
  • learn to live with it

I haven't said anywhere she should suck it up so as not to harm her dh's career, but she did ask. Furthermore, she asked if the other wives perhaps didn't like her - well, if she is unremittingly negative about the RN, or about the area in which she lives, then they may be avoiding her, especially if she talks about how wonderful London is and what her previous life was like.

Not every one is aware that being in the military is a lifestyle and not a job, especially if you've not have much to do with the Forces before. People just don't think about it.

If the OP wants to stay married, and her husband wants to stay in, then yes, she has to come to some accommodation with what she can deal with, be it weekending or not. Been there, done that, and got the bloody T shirt.

No-one is sweeping anything under the carpet, but a grip is needed at times, especially when they get bounced and sent to sea on Christmas Eve, or you go into labour and they are uncontactable as they are stooging around under the ocean somewhere (been there, done both of those as well), so I am fully aware of the difficulties of being a Forces spouse, having grown up as a Forces daughter, and married to dh for all bar six years of his 34 years in the RN. I'm also a Forces sister and aunt.

I've done the weekending in the UK and from abroad. I've done the years when he was almost constantly at sea. I've done him missing family events because he was working either abroad or couldn't get home for whatever reason. I've dealt with an awful lot of things I wouldn't have chosen to deal with on my own because the Navy required dh to be elsewhere. If you read my posts you'll see I point out the difficulties. However, in the nicest possible way, the Op is an adult, has made her choices, and needs to decide what she is going to do now they aren't what she thought. Sometimes, tough love (or get a grip) is needed, and as the recipient of one at times, it has helped me to sort things out in my head about being a Naval wife.

peachgreen · 01/02/2019 14:46

@scaryteacher I was there in the 00s. The Black Boy and the Mash Tun are still around as far as I know although the Black Boy is quite upmarket now! They also own a restaurant and a B&B and a wine bar in town! The Mucky was my work local and we were gutted when it got revamped as a fancy place, and even moreso when it changed its name!

scaryteacher · 01/02/2019 14:49

You were between ds and me then peachgreen, as I was there in the 80s, and he was there from 12-14.

We used to go to the Mucky Duck for a swift one when we couldn't be arsed to schlep down to the Oak.

ClarabellaCTL · 01/02/2019 15:16

@scaryteacher I did RTFT thank you. I've lived in MQs and been surrounded by people (wives) who lived by the attitude that they should be martyrs to their husband's careers and anyone (like me) who dared to suggest that being a military wife wasn't all it cracked up to be was just being weak, or negative and needed a dose of 'man-up'.

I haven't said anywhere she should suck it up so as not to harm her dh's career, no but you implied it... she was so unremittingly negative and she didn't do much for husband's career either!

The Armed Forces are haemorrhaging well trained personnel and are struggling to recruit. I think a large part of that is down to the fact that wives are no longer happy to be just that. They rightly want their own career, and a life outside the wire instead of making do with the friendships forced upon us by circumstance of being posted together but having nothing else in common. I have made lifelong friendships with other military wives. I have watched them suffer for their husbands career again and again. I have been on the phone to the other side of the world trying to get a friend’s husband home to see his premature daughter. I have cried myself to sleep because I miss my Husband so much and all I want is to hear his voice but I know I can’t. Dealing with all of that in a place you don’t want to be, miles from your own friends and family – why should that just be accepted as the way it is? Thankfully the forces are beginning to realise this. ‘Dispersed families’ (weekenders for instance) are now a recognised living situation and the RAF Families Federation is working hard to ensure that those living off-base are not forgotten about.

It sounds like you have been an RN wife for quite some time. Well done for all you have endured. It doesn't have to be a competition of 'my life was harder than yours' though. Telling the OP that she should get a grip is dangerous advice. You are belittling her concerns and telling her that, because you've had to deal with X, Y, Z and you coped, then she should be just fine and if she's not then she's lacking. It’s not the same as it was 20/30 years ago, thank goodness.

scaryteacher · 01/02/2019 15:54

ClarabellaCTL Navy wives do have a life 'outside the wire', as you don't live on a Naval base and Naval families tend to own their own homes. as we can't go to sea with them, so we put down roots and stay in one place. The wife of one of dh's earliest COs was a doctor and out earned him; many are teachers, some do finance etc. My friendships haven't been forced on me as I had friends from work, as opposed to the other wives.

Military spouses have choices, they just don't tend to exercise them, because it can be too difficult to do so. I chose not to move to Brussels when dh was posted there, as ds was in a good school, I enjoyed my teaching career and we have our own home, so for the sake three years, I decided to follow my career and keep ds and I where we were happy.

When dh was offered another Brussels job, and we discussed weekending for another 4 years plus (except it was 6 weeking), I made a decision to move, not for his career, but for my family life and marriage. That is no different to people in civvy street making the same decisions.

Dealing with all of that in a place you don’t want to be, miles from your own friends and family – why should that just be accepted as the way it is? You don't have to be miles from your own family and friends though do you? You can choose to stay put and weekend the whole time. If you marry someone who you know will have to move, and let's face it, it's becoming more common to move for work in other careers now, then them's the breaks. It's no different to the Toyota wives whose husbands get posted to Japan or Brussels or wherever, or FCO wives. You work out what the parameters of being married to someone in the Forces will be, and then you decide if you can live with that. If it's predicated on who earns the most, then that career path will normally win out over the other persons.

I don't understand the 'dispersed families' bit. My parents (Dad was RN) were weekending when I was 13 in 1979. It's not a new thing, for the RN at least, and the 'Married Unaccompanied' category has been in use for decades, so it must have been a 'recognised living situation' for at least 30 years plus. It isn't new, so don't pretend that it is.

The lady I knew who was so unremittingly negative actually made an appearance in her dh's report as adversely affecting his career prospects. Not what the OP wants to achieve I imagine.

The OP didn't seem like she would melt by being given some advice. I was not belittling her concerns, but addressing them head on. I could have patted her on the head and said 'there, there', but what does that achieve?

I don't see why telling her to get a grip is bad advice. We have all spent time wallowing in self pity, or not liking the outcome of the choices we have willingly made. You can either reverse those decisions, or make the best of what you've got. I don't like being in Belgium particularly, but it has achieved certain aims for us, so it has served a purpose. I could go and snivel under the duvet all the time, but I have better things to do.

However you want to gussy it up, the Forces are not always family friendly, because they can't afford to be. If you want a spouse who is home every night at 1800 and is about every weekend, then don't fall for someone in the Forces, because it doesn't, and can't, work like that.

The Forces are haemorrhaging well trained personnel and are struggling to recruit because the lifestyle isn't 9-5; because the benefits aren't what they were; and because you can get better pay outside. Defence cuts haven't helped either, and the last round of redundancies made no sense in terms of who got chopped either.

PurpleTrilby · 01/02/2019 16:04

No advice OP, but I hear you! I left London a few years ago after a very long time living there, to me it will always be 'home'. I find the provincial slowness absolutely infuriating, but have adapted to a certain extent. I love meeting people who have also lived in London, I can pretty much tell they have when I meet them. And the forces life is hard for partners, I hear you there too. Best of luck, whatever you do and wherever you go.

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