#shameonyouwarwick

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Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

That’s on the women, I’m afraid. Life is tough. You have to be tough. You can’t always be safe and protected and cocooned. Words can only hurt you if you allow them to, if you give them power. These women shouldn’t be cowed in the face of it. No physical harm has come to them

No thanks

I stand by every word.

Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure that petition is not going to have the outcome it’s asking for. The disciplinary process can’t be reopened. And it has to be independent of external pressure (rightly so, in my view). The university made the decision to prioritise avoidance of legal challenge over its female students, future recruitment and its reputation. It already had a certain reputation in academic circles, so I am not at all surprised that they have taken this path.

Life is tough. You have to be tough. You can’t always be safe and protected and cocooned.

Apart from if you are male. Then you don't have to take any responsibility for your actions.

Great, glad we are clear on that.

That’s on the women, I’m afraid. Life is tough. You have to be tough. You can’t always be safe and protected and cocooned. Words can only hurt you if you allow them to, if you give them power. These women shouldn’t be cowed in the face of it. No physical harm has come to them

Not everyone has the physical ability to be so detached from trauma. Those who have experienced trauma early in life have heightened physiological reactions to stress. Those who have experienced less trauma or have had more "resilience training" by positive role-models, can deal more effectively with stress. You are very lucky if you are able to differentiate more efficiently Adriane, but the reality is that most people can not.....they may want to...they may try to...but they physically can not "just suck it up!".

Can we all just ignore @MrsAriadneOliver? She's a known deliberate contrarian and is clearly getting off (possibly literally) on the attention. Lots of one handed typing going on in the Oliver household, I suspect.

It appears this isn't the first time for at least one of them.

www.thebubble.org.uk/current-affairs/student-life/we-need-to-have-a-conversation-about-group-chats/

Life is tough. You have to be tough. You can’t always be safe and protected and cocooned.

But this doesn’t apply to the men* in the group chat, who shouldn’t face any permanent consequences?

(*called them ‘boys’ earlier, thinking they were 1st-years who’d be 17/18 in my experience - but looks like they weren’t.)

This letter from one of the women named shows how badly she has been impacted by this.

theboar.org/2019/01/warwick-group-chat-open-letter/

Absolutely disgusted. That wasn’t ‘banter’ it was inciting rape. There is no way in hell my DD will be applying there now. If the only thing they will listen to is women not spending their money there, then we should boycott the place.

Best thing we can do is share the names and images of those men far and wide. I work in a senior role in one of the industries that a fair few of them would be interested in.

No woman should be forced to accept working alongside men who casually threatened to rape and torture them. No minority should be forced to accept working alongside men who'd made racial slurs against them.

Shame on Warwick indeed, putting the futures of racists and misogynists above those that they'd make their victims.

The university made the decision to prioritise avoidance of legal challenge over its female students

What I don't understand is that they are not afraid of the female students taking legal action - surely they would have a case against the university for failing to act appropriately against sexual harassment and inciting violence.

Best thing we can do is share the names and images of those men far and wide. I work in a senior role in one of the industries that a fair few of them would be interested in. I'll certainly be remembering their names for the future.

Yes, same here Tatty.

@tattyheadsmum

I’m not a contrarian for the sake of it.
My opinions are just different to yours. Do you want to live in an echo chamber where everyone agrees?

MrsAdrianeOliver Threats of violence and actual physical violence? Never,

Threats of raping and the genital mutilation of a named individual sound very much like threats of violence to me.

Spot on ShadenfreudePersonified a man's life must never be affected by his choices, one must always excuse, forgive and pander.
Men cannot be expected to own their actions and accept the consequences, women on the other hand deserve everything they get - that's how it goes isn't it.

Ffs, complete over-reaction. NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

Were they threats though? Surely it can only be a threat if its made directly to someone? I have my objective legal head on here.

@MrsAriadneOliver, that would be convincing if you didn't take the same attitude on every single thread. That's the problem with having a distinctive username (and being deliberately provocative); people remember you.

Lucky that’s not my attitude then

Really? Every post you write screams "I'm doing it so much better than you".

You also don't need to "@" me, I'm on the thread. I would be grateful if you wouldn't as despite turning notifications of, they still come through. Thank you.

Would also be interested to know, if the university sees legal action from the group-chat students as likely enough that they’d rather just re-admit them to avoid it, who’d be funding that legal action? Do their families believe they’re innocent or that they did do it but it’s not that bad?

How ironic - condemning others for name-calling but happy do it yourself!

What names have I called MrsAriadne?

Go on, have a go. I guarantee you I’ve heard worse! As I said earlier, I went through it on a daily basis, so they had to get creative.

Yes - I'm sure you have, and that it was probably justified.

(And how ironic that you feel that name-calling is acceptable, but don't seem to like it when you think something has been directed at you.)

@RedDogsBeg

Are men and women to be treated equally, or not?

When Sharon Osborne makes a joke on national television about the man who had his genitalia cut off by his wife, who put them in the waste disposal unit, everyone laughed. We apparently find actual physical violence against men a subject for humour.

But when men make unpleasant remarks and jokes, everyone loses their minds and wants the lives of these men destroyed, their names flung far and wide.

Why the double standard?

MrsAriadneOliver just because it made you stronger having experienced trauma, doesn't mean that happens for everyone. There are a sizeable group who are much more vulnerable after trauma. Surely you can see that?

Anyway my main points to you still apply. Why should the women who have done nothing and not the men suck it up? And words demonstrably matter because some people who are bullied die as a direct consequence of it.

Yes, men have it so hard, don’t they.