#shameonyouwarwick

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Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

Haven't read full thread, so someone may have mentioned this, but I find the article weird, in the way it refers to the women affected as 'women' and the men in the group chat as 'boys'...almost minimises their behaviour, imo, that old 'boys will be boys'...but these are 19/20 yo MEN we're talking about here, not boys.

The victim refers to them as boy, that's normal, as university students tend to refer to their peers as boys or girls...but the journalist reporting on the story, I feel, shouldn't be calling them 'boys'.

Scratch that last comment, I misread the article and wrongly attributed the 'boy' references to the journalist.

They are discussing this on Jeremy Vine in a little while.

Jeremy Vine - I can imagine how that will go.

"Boys will be boys" (ignoring fact that they are men)

"Private chat" (except it was shown to one of the women)

"Freedom of speech" (ignoring "within the confines of the law")

And the supposed trump card "Snowflake Millennials!" (except they're not Millennials).

I hope to be proved wrong.

My viens are coming out my neck listening to this.
Who's that stupid women.
Where's she sprung from. Saying to the caller (Megan). Why don't you just go up to them and say
"What are you doing".

You forgot ‘locker room’ and ‘banter’. 🙄

I'm absolutely shocked at JV panel. Rape threats are frightening. I can't believe the victim blaming going on here.

Also - I started uni at 17. I would have felt very uneasy and a bit scared of sitting next to these people in lectures or bumping into them in the student union or gym/pool etc.

They haven’t seemed to have shown any remose at all have them? So a year sitting at home watching daytime tv then it’s all on?

Urhhh, and who is that Timmy Mallet 80s bloke? He is getting on my nerves 😡🤬

And yes it was all 'the women this' but 'the boys that' 😡

His name is Andy. He's a big brother contestant. Its so sad that I know
googled that

The Jeremy Vile panel sound as I would expect, but there is at least some kickback on Twitter:

twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1092333300386017280

Their parents must be so proud embarrassed.

@TheTroutofNoCraic
these are 19/20 yo MEN we're talking about here, not boys

Exactly!

I think this is seriously worrying Why didn't Warwick Police do anything about this? Surely it qualifies as a hate crime? Wikipedia...

"Since 2002, with an amendment to the Convention on Cybercrime, the European Union mandates individual states to punish as a crime hate speech done through the internet"

However, it appears that the UK only treat it as a criminal offence if it is relating to race, religion or homosexuality - but not misogyny. It appears this law is going under review this year but not one mention of hate crimes against women (or men for that matter). That is quite shocking I think. So basically unless someone can correct me on this it seems that you can make vile extreme threats of violence against someone and not be prosecuted. That can't be right surely?

My daughter goes to Warwick. I am not happy about these students being allowed back.

Maybe it’s just bringing out into the open a whole revolting misogynistic culture of males? 😡 Maybe it’s better out there so we know what we are dealing with rather than just suspect and hope for best.

So we now have to assume the worst and wait to be pleasantly surprised?

I hope you are right LordProf and we are pleasantly surprised but I am slightly more pessimistic.
Apparently Cressida Dick said that the police are too busy to take these kind of hate crimes on. This would help to explain the sickening number of times young women are killed by their partners or husbands after reporting to the police that they fear for their lives.
What is even more depressing is that our DDs have to put up with this kind of talk - which some people suggest is "rife" and just "bantz" in our society.

Apparently Cressida Dick said that the police are too busy to take these kind of hate crimes on

They are not though are they? Plenty of time to investigate whether those Adult Human Female T-shirts are hate crimes.

So the ‘boys’ were just doing what boys do but the ‘women’ must toughen up!? Well I am going to sign the petition now, not in the hope that Warwick will change their decision but hopefully as a signal to Warwick & other unis that they need to alter their stance.

I also think that the press officer quizzing the young women on their sexual history was totally inappropriate. I strongly feel that we need to question why these attitudes are prevailing.

For anyone defending these men, imagine reading their words about YOUR daughter.

Now imagine her being in a seminar with them.
Walking home when they happen to be taking the same route.
Sharing a dorm with them.

Imagine your colleagues naming you in such messages and then having to sit beside them every day.

Can you HONESTLY say you'd be happy with this or is it a case of not in my back yard?

It doesn't MATTER if they were going to act on it or not, their words are inherently violent, threatening and IMO could be construed as inciting illegal behaviour.

It is disgusting their behaviour is anything other than punished and that the women involved (plus wider uni community) are anything other than protected. It must be stamped out and there must be consequences to such disgraceful actions.

Shame on Warwick.

I also think that the press officer quizzing the young women on their sexual history was totally inappropriate.

And would be inappropriate even had the perpetrators been expelled and no appeal had been lodged. It's unfortunate that the two issues (the investigative process and the final outcome) have become entangled, because in some ways the investigatory aspect of it is if not worse, at least as worrying.

It would be interesting to see what happened if a group of male staff were to have a group chat discussing the rape of a senior member of university staff, which they then showed to the named woman.

I suspect, no, I know that they would be summarily dismissed. Any attempt to go to an ET would be met with derision. They could turn up with as many lawyers as they liked.

So why are students at Warwick less deserving of protection?

And the way things are today - if one decided that they self id as a woman... female dorms?

On one of the screenshots it seems as though Ben Clements (I assume it's him, he allegedly has quite a history for this kind of thing) is talking about having sex with a Year 10 girl. I'm quite surprised that alone isn't reason for police involvement.

I also think that the press officer quizzing the young women on their sexual history was totally inappropriate.

I agree - it seems very prurient behaviour to me. Their sexual histories are their own business.

Were the "boys" quizzed about theirs? Including their masturbatory fantasies? That seems more relevant.